The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.
Does the Czech Republic not have huge traffic flowing through from the continent? Ireland is out on its own so doesn't have that problem.
Czech Republic had 100-ish CCS connectors 3 years ago, just like Ireland. Similar area and motorway length, less EVs. Yeah it's continental and transit and all that... but still.
3 years later 650...
And meanwhile in Ireland, where are we now? From 90 CCS to 130 in the same period...
What needs to happen? Can IEOVOA show the graph above (or dozen of others from "small countries") to Ecars and the Government to make the point?
This is not keyboard warrior-ism @zg3409, this an evidence based critique, which is the only way to lobby the two organisations to pressure for change. Show them data, ask uncomfortable questions.
- 90 additional high power chargers, each capable of charging two vehicles
Long way from that. Mayfield is 4, and the other BS hubs ads an additional 10 I think.
They also say they'll have 50 hubs (I think there's a breakdown of types/size somewhere). So far there's 10 hubs. Just 40 to go in the year. May as well give themselves bonuses now.
I also heard the funding is all gone/allotted to projects already. Not unrealistic. 20m is very little, and projects would earmark funding well in advance of their rollout, but what has been implemented since the funding was gone isn't inspiring.
I've posted it before, that €10m for the entire country is a joke, each motorway service station in the UK gets more
I've asked the question of eCars plans for 2022 a few times, zero response.
If you read the article below it mentions that the "project" is due to be completed in 2022. Where are things now compared to the "project" ?
"ESB rollout
Currently mostly chargers are operated by the ESB
€10 million was committed from the Climate Action Fund (CAF) to support ESB investment in the charging network and this has leveraged a further €10 million investment from ESB. This intervention alone will result in:
- 52 additional fast chargers, which may replace existing standard chargers
- 264 replacement standard chargers with more modern technology and with each consisting of two charge points
The project is due to be completed in 2022."
there are currently 14 150kW+ Tesla chargers awaiting grid connection, and very soon that number will be 18.
Meanwhile eCars are no doubt still dining off Mayfield, a half working '8 car hub', which was installed 8 months ago now....
I'm sorry, but that's just fcuking abysmally slow, and no amount of sh1tty '3 car' 'hubs' (with AC?!?) will ever mask over the fact that they are beyond pathetic with their 'hub' rollout. January already breaking records in terms of EV sales... so thats another 2,000 cars on the road so far this year and how many new chargers have they installed in that time? NADA. Another 2,000 cars next month, and the month after, helped by the Tesla boats arriving.. so in another 2 months we'll probably be in or around 6,000 new BEV's registered YTD.
Hook up those new M6 Superchargers, stick one in somewhere in the southeast, and eCars can do one.. I and most other Tesla drivers will be shot of them for good.
Too busy connecting the two new Tesla sites. Can’t be talking on too much work in January 😛
Also, am I right in thinking that the two additional Tesla sites will have more fast charging units (> 100kW) then all the eCars sites put together?
Ecars think they might do any rollout of charge points this year at all? January come and gone and nothing new to show for it.
Station chargers should be AC only and there should be a dozen of them at every station.
If I ever have to park and charge at an Irish rail station, and I know I’m going to be back in say 9 hours….. I’m plugging the car in and dialling the amps down so the charge session is lasting 9 hours….
Don't hate the player, hate the game!!!
Well said
Deoends on what you define as "all day" I parked at the station at work for 5 hours the other day while charging, I could get a lot done at the other end of the train line in that time
I think you have to assess driver behaviour based on the particular setup. If I drive to my local Lidl in an empty Model S, connect it up to the free juice and feck off home for a few hours until it's fully charged, then clearly I'm acting outside the intended use of the charger and that's not fair. But at any commuter railway station, the behaviour that must be expected by those who put the charger there is that a park and ride driver is very likely to arrive in the morning, hook up, then leave again in the evening, full, but probably not having needed all day to get full. If we are to suggest that the behaviour of Driver 2 is not OK, we have to question who the tiny niche of drivers are who can use this kind of charger in a fair way.
I think that we have to just accept all day stays as being the expected and inevitable use of a station charger. The main problem we have is that there isn't enough charging capacity for all the drivers who might wish to do that. Where we probably need to get to with this is a setup where there is a very large number indeed of sockets to connect to, but with enough load-sharing or queueing logic built in that everybody gets to plug in all day without anybody depriving anybody else of the opportunity to get the, possibly small, amount of charge they need.
Until then, it's first come, first served and we have to get over our resentment of the all-day squatter because it's probably the only thing we could have done too.
At some stations there is just a 7Kw charger, so a 62 or 72kwh battery car could possibly be there for the full work day (if it arrived on the electric equivalent of fumes) and be charging away.
Any higher rated charger, or smaller battery, would probably be fully charged within the standard work / commute day and you'd have to pay for parking (and apply to rejoin the human race for blocking the charger for the whole day 🙂)
If people are parking all day though, surely they'll be not charging at some stage?
Clarification is not to clarify things. It is to put one’s self in the clear
If you are charging your EV and get clamped at an Irish rail station reference this from the Irish Rail FAQ section to the clamper
I tend to put comments on plugshare app as to pay parking status for all chargers. It's very confusing and rules vary for every charger. In some cases there is decisions at local town council meetings to have incentives for EVs in certain towns (e.g. Bray) but they only apply to council owned parking spaces. In places like booterstown train station car park, it's the council who owns the car park, so pay parking while charging applies unlike most train station car parks. Typically there is no signs that explain the rules at each charger. I believe fingal have an incentive for EVs but again no signs, nothing on website, parking warden phone number says different, so it's generally a mess. In Dun Laoghaire harbour next to dart station the harbour police enforced 24/7/365 pay parking and clamping, but it's now taken over by Dun Laoghaire rathdown county council so no one knows the rules. They really need a sign at every charger with a phone number for tow away company for those blocking chargers. Plugshare app is the best least worst solution I have found to determining the rules or rumours.
It wont happen until the Ministers office receives the findings from their advisory board assessing the outcomes of the working group which was formed in response to the recommendations from the committee tasked with undertaking a review of the current status quo.
They never have any time line.
Carbon copy of the Ecars/ESB responses I received whenever I asked something.
"Developing a pathway" - lol, how to say BS while sounding fancy, excellent...
Not when you install them in an idiotic way when you end up with 50% effective connector usage due to stupid layout and/or cable issues...
The only way to handle capacity and manage efficient flow is some sort of time based per minute charging. The time based must be fairly prohibitive to force users' behaviour.
Either make everything per minute or add per minute to per kWh after cutoff time. The latter is becoming a norm across Europe.
The Tesla idle per minute fee is also a very good idea especially because it ignores battery sizes or kWh's and only goes after connector capacity on the site.
Let's copy the UK syndrome
quick reply today from the Department of Transport
"Preparations are under way to establish an Office of Low Emission Vehicles (OLEV), as recommended in the Electric Vehicle Policy Pathway Report. This will play an important role in our transition to zero-emission vehicles. OLEV will co-ordinate measures to support the uptake of EVs and the rollout of charge point infrastructure. It is anticipated that OLEV will be formed in Q2 2022."
Common sense: It would be impossible for you to come to unplug your car if you left it charging at those destination chargers and then took a train somewhere for the day. The only drivers that can do that are the ones that should not really be using the chargers at the station, right? But IE doesn't seem to be too pushed ensuring the chargers are for their customers only, and in many cases the train station charging point might be the only charger in the town anyway. Which is not great after 10 years of public charging points. To put it mildly.
That's not how it's signposted or applied in reality though
The signposts advise 24hr free parking for EVs while plugged in. EVs at Irish Rail that are plugged in and finished charging do not get clamped.
Found this in the Irish Rail FAQ section, could be useful to some
Dear Customer,
Thank you for contacting The Department of Transport.
We have received your message and the division or staff member that is dealing with your query will provide a full reply within 12 working days in the majority of cases.
"currently engaged in developing a pathway for the creation and implementation of"
If you were playing buzzwords bingo, you'd have hit the jackpot there...
Got a response from the SEAI on the OLEV
Hi XX,
Thanks for your patience as we looked into your query.
Our programme manager has advised:
"The department of Transport are currently engaged in developing a pathway for the creation and implementation of an OLEV. However, I do not have any timeline on the matter."
It might be worth contacting the Department of Transportation if you require more information. Their contact details are available here:
https://www.gov.ie/en/organisation/department-of-transport/
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