Of course he's calling for the weaponry, he's following one of the diktums 'never let a good crisis go to waste'. It would also be frankly bizarre if on the one hand he and his Western Imperial allies were whipping up war sentiment to then both look for extra weaponry etc.
As has been stated ad nauseam by those of us with some critical faculties, Putin had no and has no intention of invading....the only way that changes if Biden does something really stupid which given his history is not beyond the realms of possibility.
excellent, these are the things the @Harryd225 can throw into google translate and come back with a load of ramblings about Vietnam
Why did the Russian chicken cross the road...
To invade Ukraine
Poison
Disappearing your own citizens
Torture of your own citizens
Jailing torture of opposition representatives
Crushing opposition through violence
More poison
..............covering up the death's of your own soldiers. (There's something really depraved in that action in my mind)
Heard a great joke today...
Russia said there will be no invasion 🤣😂🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣
Hear, hear!
If they were gagging they would have moved en mass into ukraine and their neighbors ,
They haven't really done anything so far ,
Not sure where your coming from that they are gagging for a war
Honestly, what is to be gained by grandiose arguing in favour of one MIC over another? Not only is it bad for the soul, but even from the perspective of the Americans and the Russians it is meaningless chatter.
Look at how the US and Russia treat their soldiers and veterans; people who put their lives on the line for the their respective MICs. They treat them like trash. Knowing that, what is to be gained by demonstrating loyalty on boards for one over the other? They don't care what you think. They don't even care what their own think.
Admittedly, my sense of Irishness is partly wrapped up in standing up to bullies. In that context, the US and Russian war machines are bullies and can fook off. There are civilized countries with every right to exist --Ireland, for example-- and war mongering nations like Russia and the US-- put us, and the rest of the world, at risk.
@Harryd225 There are two points you are repeating.
"The President of Ukraine called on western media to stop creating panic over the situation". It's perfectly possible for the Ukrainian president to want to try to avoid panic and still be extremely worried about the threat of invasion.
"Claims by the CIA that Russia is currently planning a false flag attack against their own people as a pretext for the invasion". It's also not beyond possibility that Russia would stage a false flag attack. I'm not saying they will, just that it wouldn't be entirely out of character for a leader like Putin.
You seem to view this, and a lot of other issues, through a "US is bad therefore..." lens.
Just browsed the last hundred and something odd replies, because you know I have a life, one thing caught my attention. Those who are referring to Zelensky call for calm and not panic are leaving something out which has been pointed out in the press. That he is at the same time rather urgently calling for hundreds of millions of dollars worth of defensive weaponry.
So, Russia is moving most (?) of it's military, in some cases over 9,000km distance, to the borders of Ukraine NOT to start an invasion and Ukraine is scrounging the globe for defensive weaponry to defend itself from an invasion that ISN'T imminent.
Right........
I couldn’t be bothered posting anything about the CIA or MI5 controlling the media so why are you lying saying I have?
Anyhow I just presume most reasonably intelligent people have heard of Operation Mockingbird.
No man. They'd be just in donbass because people can speak Russian in donbass. And that's all they want just donbass. And they're entitled to it sure look at my point above about people speaking Russian.
This all gravy. That's not invasion it's.. Erm rescue. It's immancipation. Man...
They'll be over to emancipate other Russian speaking areas of Europe soon, because its legit.
There's an immenent threat to Russia from non emancipation.
Anyone stop to think that there wouldn't be a huge mass of Russian soldiers on the Ukrainian boarder if the west didn't make such a fuss?
That's right, because they would be in Ukraine already.
@Harryd225 I take it you can only use google translate and throw some random history references together to try provoke reaction about anything that sticks...
If not, please, comment on the video about Russian dis-information and Channel 4's broadcast being doctored....
If not, we can throw random references too:
-Chechnya
-CAF
-Syria
-Afghanistan
-Domestic voting rigging
-civil rights
-no free speech
This is amusing, the has been quite a liberal sprinkling of attack on me by some of your like minded friends here yet they've apparently gone over your head judging by your silence on them. I call someone's post disingenuous because it is and you're offended...
Still no invasion....maybe Tomorrow...we await with bated breath..
Attack you? Where did I attack you? Might I suggest you report the post to the mods so?
Thetruth89 wants the truth but is not prepared to find the truth because he already knows the truth...
I stand behind every single post I've made. You're quite right it is a discussion board and I have contributed to that discussion and my posts are on the record the fact you're too lazy too read back through is your problem not mine.
Back to those homophobic accusations, any sign of evidence or are you happy to be a liar?
Just remember that the USA and UK have told the biggest lies in recent history to gain support for wars, lies that if I had have questioned at the time on boards, you lot would have been saying the same thing you are saying now, that I am a conspiracy theorist who has fell victim to Iraqi propaganda. I'm not claiming there are no troops on the border as some keep saying, what I'm claiming is the same thing both Ukraine and Russia and other countries around the world are claiming, that there is no "imminent invasion" and that Russia is not "currently planning a false flag attack against it's own people as a pretext for the invasion".
Look don't get me wrong, I get it, you are all getting educated on this subject from Western media, you identify strongly with the Americans and British and take their narrative more seriously than anyone else, just remember that Russia, Ukraine, China and middle Eastern countries all have a very different view on the situation for the massive build up of troops, China for example says that the massive build up of troops on the border is defensive and that Russias security concerns should be taken seriously, now I know what your going to say, we cannot believe a word from the Russians or Chinese and it's all propaganda and the only ones we can trust are the United States and the UK who don't partake in any of that behaviour, but even Ukraine claims that the USA and UK are hyping up the situation and the President of Ukraine called on them to stop creating panic over the situation.
That article is from months ago when things first started to surface, the president has changed his opinion since then.
I'm saying that the taking of Donbas is a realistic possibility in the future, while the Invasion of Kiev is extremely unlikely unless the situation changes dramatically. The largely pro Russian population of Donbas are currently fighting for their independence from Ukraine to join Russia, the Russians view the pro Russian speaking population of Donbas and the overwhelmingly pro Russian population of Crimea as their own people and want to make them part of Russia, these are the areas that are under a realistic threat of being invaded by Russia in the future.
Oh man your points have been destroyed so often on here your posts are just a parody of the previous ones at this point lol
Ukraine are saying the same as the western hooligans with regard the scale of the buildup. Over 1000,00. and risen to nearly 130,000 this week, so what is there to dispute? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-russia-has-nearly-100000-troops-near-its-border-2021-11-13/
You also say Ukraine say Russia want to annex Crimea,....they already did that in 2014...and annexing Donbas equates to an invasion.... I presume the Americans and British are forcing Putin to move troops to Belarus just north of the border of Kyiv too?
If you bothered to look at other sources of information other than the usual Western ones you would have listed a wide range of scenarios, countries like Ukraine, China, countries in the middle East all have a different narrative on what's going on, the exact numbers of troops on the border is disputed by Ukraine and other countries like China. Zelenskiy said Friday that satellite images alone were insufficient to assess the extent of the military buildup, he claims the West is vastly overestimating the claims.
He called on the west to stop creating panic on the situation. “We are grateful to the U.S. for the support for our independence and territorial integrity,” Zelenskiy told foreign media on Friday in the capital Kyiv. “But I am the president of Ukraine, I am here and I know more details and I have deeper knowledge than any other president.”
The opinion of the Ukrainians is that Russia wants to annex minor pro Russian Ukrainian territory such as Crimea and Donbas, but believe the Russians have no intention on taking the rest of Ukraine, they don't deny that the situation could escalate leading to war but they regard that possibility as unlikely and accuse the Americans and British of hyping up the situation as they think that it would suit them if it happened.
Only in 2022 could the level of misinformation and disinformation polarising society could you have patriotic republican nutters in America supporting Russia hell bent on defeating American hegemony, left wingers in Ireland defending a super wealthy, authoritarian, right wing, nationalist dictator and then edgelord conspiracy theorists online believing that Russia being behind the largest mobilization of troops in Europe since WW2 is somehow the west being hysterical and spreading propaganda. Putin's troll farms really have done a number on us. The man's a genius.
Absolutely, thats a very valid point about the wmd's in Iraq. But why do you think Russia has it's military on ukraines borders and is growing by the week and launched a cyber attack on the ukranians?,,,,and invaded crimea and is backing militant separatists in east ukraine? Is Colin Powell back from the dead and falsifying photos and hiring actors to pretend to be Russian military and little green men?
So you agree that russia is trying to invade the ukraine then? lol
and the "provoked" is said in the sense that russia will "provoke" themselves when the time suits them.
Agreed, that's how the Ukrainians themselves see it and I agree with them.
You must be having a laugh, you seem to hold these agencies up as some sort of Romantic groups that could do no wrong, do you think those intelligence services wouldn't make and hype things up for their own benefit? Like the claims by the CIA that "Russia is currently planning a false flag attack against their own people as a pretext for the invasion".
So no to answer your question I take everything these agencies say with a pinch of salt, these agencies have told some of the biggest lies in recent history, they told me there were WMDs in Iraq and that Saddam Hussein was training Al Qaeda operatives "that could kill hundreds and thousands of innocent civilians in the USA". And even after all of that, I still wasn't prepared for the amount of post invasion deceptions that followed, but now in 2022 I have a hard time believing anything they say especially when it comes to international conflicts.
There is three potential scenarios here with the military buildup:
Either way there is no other reason for this military buildup on three sides of Ukraine other than to strike or give a replica imitation of preparing to. It is extremely hard for anyone to decipher this right now but if Putin doesnt get his demands met (which is very unlikely) or something close, and doesnt make a military move now he is finished. Theres no way the west could be spinning such a scenario. If they were than what are Russia doing if not them three above scenarios?
Something will have to happen for Russia to be "provoked" into invading.
Ukraine are playing it cool. Not flinching. They know the drill.
The Yanks are gagging for something to happen. Their internals will be pushing for something to flog off some military contracts. They are not involved in any major disputes, so it's a bleak time for those military weapons manufacturers.
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