So do you believe the Ukrainian president who is trying to protect his economy and prevent social unrest and chaos or do you believe two of the best intelligence agencies in the world? Look at Ukraine's actions, citizens arming themselves, trenches on their Russian border, importing Nato arms and that will give you a hint as to what they really think and believe. There is no western propaganda on this. Up until this crisis America did not give a hoots about Russia. That ship sailed in the 90s. They're not an economic nor geopolitical threat to America. They have no reason for anti Russian propaganda anymore. Their eyes are firmly fixed on China now.
Where I do agree with you is that Russia are not yet in a position to invade but theyre getting there if they eventually decide to go in.
"doesn't see the situation as any worse than before." And what was the situation before ? lol
Of course comrade i whole heartedly believe you! everyone else is a conspiracy theorist and the invasion of ukraine is a myth! Got it loud and clear comrade! lol
And PLEASE quote where I have denied any of that? All I have denied is that an invasion is "imminent" and that "Russia is currently planning a false flag attack against their own people as a pretext for the invasion". as has been claimed by the US and British governments and the CIA.
My opinion is backed up by Ukrainian opinion, the Ukrainian president himself Speaking to foreign reporters in Kyiv, the Ukrainian capital, on Friday, The president said Ukraine's economy had been damaged by what he said was a false perception that Ukraine is on the brink of war, he called on the West to stop creating panic over the situation.
You're having a laugh, Ukraine doesn't believe there's going to be any invasion either, in fact the president claims he doesn't see the situation as any worse than before.
As I've said before the only way people on this thread argue is by making up their own conspiracies and claiming I believe them. I claimed the story of an invasion being "imminent" and also the story that Russia is planning a false flag attack against their own people is propaganda. Yet people on here ignore that and make up imaginary claims that I'm saying there are no troops on the border.
Are you in all honestly expecting anyone to believe that waffle? honestly lmao i hope your being paid to spout this nonsense! comrade! lmao
Youre totally missing the point. Ukraine have been under threat from Russia for nearly a decade now. War has been "imminent" to them every day. Theyve already been invaded, and theyre already in battle in the Donbas, every day. Russia has amassed tens of thousands of troops and weapons systems and vehicles on their border. Russia cyber attacked Ukrainian govt sites. As I already said Ukraine are arming themselves by the day with state of the art weaponry. They dont believe they will be invaded any second now as Russia still is building forces but they accept an invasion is very possible in the near future. There's no narrative here. Ukraine HAS been invaded already and Russia are upping the ante. Nato won't meet their demands so Putin has to react soon. Its very simple stuff.
I actually cant stop laughing at this lmao who are you trying to cod harry xD Ah stop boards never gets old!
Unlike the rest of the people on this thread I don't just look at the media from one side, when looking at world matters like these I look at different media from around the world, I Google translate articles from media outlets in Ukraine, Russia, China, even articles from the middle East so I can make a well informed decision and have an actual opinion not influenced by solely listening to one side of the story.
Yes comrade of course! what invasion?! this is myth comrade no soldiers at ukraine boarder....russia never attack ukraine comrade this never happen this murica propaganda comrade !
Haha, hilarious Mark. Destroyed how? All I've been claiming is that I don't believe the Western narrative that an invasion is "imminent" and that the Russians are "currently planning a false flag attack against their own people".
Apparently I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist for not believing these claims, I have also been stating the facts that neither Russia or Ukraine believe any invasion is going to happen, Ukraine says that they don't see the situation as any worse than before and are calling on the West to stop creating panic over the situation.
Please tell me how I have been destroyed for my disbelief of the Western narrative, I'm no mouthpiece for Putin, I'm just siding with the Ukrainians who also don't believe that Russia is planning to invade and say they want the West to stop creating panic over the situation, nothing more nothing less.
And no I'm not talking about the Ukrainians that appear for interviews on the BBC and Fox news, I'm talking about the Ukrainian government, I'm on their side in all of this.
If Russia does go through with this "imminent invasion" then I'll take everything back and admit I was foolish.
Well, I'll tell you who I don't believe. Putin and their online mouthpieces.
You have been utterly destroyed, DESTROYED.. on this thread by other posters who Ive disagreed with in the past.
I think it's best for you to lay low for a bit.
You're not one of the usual folks on here Mark, curious what your opinions are on the Western narrative, that an invasion is "imminent" and the Russians are "currently planning a false flag attack against their own people as a pretext for the invasion".
Yet at the same time Russia says they have no plans to invade and Ukraine is telling the west to stop creating panic over the situation and are saying they don't see the situation as any worse than before.
Do you believe the Western narrative?
You are entertaining Harry, ill give you that!
Hand-picked Ukrainians like this formless chap?
Or the hundreds and thousands of citizens training in parks every day now, learning basic weapons handling. From ALL walks of life.
No doubt there's warmongering imperialists all around but don't insult the ordinary people of Ukraine, or any other country, by thinking their government speak for them in every moment, or indeed in any moment.
The Russians say they have no intention of invading? Talk is cheap. About as firm as the Americans' undertakings to the Kurds over the last half a century. A King doesn't keep promises to a pawn.
Again, the tactic of the people on this thread seems to be to make up their own conspiracies that nobody believes or has mentioned at all, in an attempt to discredit the actual propaganda that an invasion is imminent and that Russia is preparing a false flag attack against their own people to create a pretext for the invasion.
Look comrade we are not bad guy...this is murica do not look at Ukraine boarder comrade this all propaganda! xD
Well if the Western narrative is correct, that an invasion is imminent and they are planning a false flag attack against their own people as a pretext for the invasion and they do invade Ukraine then yes I agree.
So your contention is that there is no difference between Russia and America.
Imperial America got a bloody nose in Iraq. Hopefully imperial Russia will get an equally bloody nose in the Ukraine.
Agreed?
When there's an army prepped for invasion commanded by a leader with form for invading, there are 15,000 people dead as a direct result of a previous incursion less than a decade ago, and you spend more time posting about MI5 and the CIA controlling the media, you've lost the plot.
You have too by all accounts Fudd.
Poland are stepping up to help Ukraine with defensive weapons and munitions to help counter the Russians,
I Don't think this is going the way putin thought it would,
He's either going to have to publicly back down or go full invasion which will only bring more players to the table,so far putin has Belarus as support ,who's pissed off his own people and nato neighbors.
Putin has solidified the eu /nato states who have Zero desire to return the old Soviet occupations of their states
Poland has offered to provide Ukraine with “defensive” ammunition amid growing concerns over what the Polish prime minister calls “Russian neo-imperialism”. He is due to visit Kyiv tomorrow in a show of support for Poland’s eastern neighbour
Paweł Soloch, the head of President Andrzej Duda’s National Security Bureau (BBN), announced today it “had been decided to hand over defensive ammunition to the Ukrainian side, which is to be used for defence,
I don’t quite follow you, could you explain what ‘disinformation’ Harry is ‘parroting’.
Can you give an example without your trademark patronising posting style if you think you can manage that.
I could do without that cringe-worthy sweet summer child crap if you don’t mind.
Where have I asked that? Please, I look forward to hearing where I asked anything about that.
No, I'm just looking at the facts.
Facts are Ukraine has asked the west to stop creating fear over the situation and that they don't see the situation as any worse than before. Russia claims they have no intention of invasion.
Ukraine themselves claim that an invasion is not imminent yet every Ukrainian I see being interviewed on Western media goes along with the Western narrative that an invasion is imminent, I find that strange to say the least, I'm pretty sure these major media outlets are hand picking Ukrainians who they know have the opinions that they want us to hear.
So you believe this narrative then? You believe what the CIA have told us that an invasion is imminent and that Russia is planning a false flag attack against their own people as a pretext for the invasion? It's a simple question, please answer it for me.
Who would have thought that in a discussion where Russia has surrounded , occupied ,and currently threatening to invade ukraine .
Vietnam gets brought up by wannabe historian who has to ask on boards where to find information on the troubles in NI and then verbatim quotes Kremlin propaganda day after day .
But somehow it's not happening because he can't see it ,he can't find it ,it's all MI5 and the CIA conspiracy theory
Hi Harry,
Can you give some Shape to the immenent threat to Russia that required amassing over 100k troops on two borders of a neighbouring country.
It seems pretty serious and immenent to warrant that sort of build up especially in this weather. Must be urgent.
What is it?
Thanks for the history lesson. Now read the thread title and ask yourself what the above has to do with the price of turnips?
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Har, you're prattling on about propaganda and won't even acknowledge the absolute shambolic lies from Russia trying to dodge being implicated in MH17 and the murder of civilians.
You then bring up Vietnam 50 years ago to deflect. Your posting style is a joke, and your brain is hijacked. It's actually sad to look at, you're parroting the worst of contemporary disinformation and think you're an edgelord and that that's got something figured out.
Did you read my post at all? I was simply stating that major countries hardly ever prosecute their soldiers, I don't see why you are holding to such a high standard compared to everyone else expecting them to do so.
interested to hear you and your comrades take on the doctored Channel 4 news piece that was broadcast on Russian state TV @Harryd225
Saddle up lads! We're so off-the-map off-topic we're in a DeLorean time machine to Vietnam!
My Lai is apparently on-topic, but the downing of a civilian airliner by Russian Armed Forces equipment in Ukraine in 2014 is off-topic?
Harry, you're a joke and beyond help.
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