I mentioned Pat Finucane on another thread, an Irish human rights solicitor who was investigating British state collusion with loyalists when MI5 set him up for assassination and launched a smear campaign against him that he was an IRA member.
This is fact not some conspiracy, the European court of Human rights investigated the murder, David Cameron himself stood up in Westminster 20 years later and admitted the murder and the smear campaign against him that followed, he apologised to the families.
I see the tactic of yourself and other posters is to talk about conspiracies you made up yourself that nobody believes, in an attempt to discredit the actual propaganda, that an invasion is imminent and that Russia is planning a false flag attack against their own people in an attempt to create a pretext for the invasion.
In relation to MH-17, when do major powers ever prosecute or hand over their soldiers for killing large amounts of innocent people? Hardly ever.
Did the Americans give justice when the US army murdered 500 innocent civilians in the My Lai massacre? When the US army slaughtered men, women, children, and infants, gang-raped the women some of which were as young as 12 and mutilated their bodies. They gave the platoon leader 3 years house arrest, that's the American idea of justice.
How many people have the Americans prosecuted for their air strikes which have killed tens of thousands of civilians in the last 20 year? I don't see why your going on about MH-17 major nations almost never prosecute their soldiers.
You're denying the reason they are there.
Something about an immenient treat to Russia.
Again.
What is the nature of this threat
Is anyone denying the amount of troops on the border? Can you please quote the posts where myself or anyone else has claimed that? Ukraine claim they don't see the situation as any worse than before and are asking the West to stop creating panic.
There busy in another thread about MI5 in Northern Ireland 😜
translator isn't on call tonight in St Petersburg?
Yet the same Ukraine are also saying the military buildup, which has been reported by the "CIA propaganda msn" is true and real. And this same Ukraine is also accepting large deliveries of military equipment and weaponry from the west and arming themselves to the teeth in preparation. They are trying to defuse any chaos or panic until any invasion has started. Its true Russia is not yet ready to invade at any second. Ukrainian defence analysts have said Russia yet need medical support, reserves and more troops to complete preparation on the border. Medical equipment and bloods have arrived in the last few days. Once further troops and reserve battalions arrive they will be ready. They may or may not invade. But they have invaded before albeit in smaller scale, and there is absolutely no proof or evidence to believe that a potential Russian invasion is western fabrications.
Yeah, and old Puts has no form for invading the neighbours at all at all. Those were staged MI5 psy-ops Hollywood footage made for CNN.
Russia still denies to this day that the BUK missile unit that downed MH17 came directly from a Russian brigade in Kursk. Which intelligence agency is responsible for that narrative and would you like to explain your theory to the family of the victims?
The Russian government denying the presence of Russian forces in Donbas in 2014 with half their army grinning like idiots on VKontakte and Facebook in Ukraine for all the world to see.
You're talking 'narrative', as if you can split the difference and try to draw a fragile moral equivalency. You're peddling unvarnished lies on behalf of an autocrat. You talk of intelligence conspiracies as if FSB/GRU men haven't been caught red-handed assassinating dissidents in European cities - and then Putin puts one of them in the Duma as a parliamentarian 🤣
Have a little think to yourself if there's a possibility you've had your birdbox occupied by propaganda yourself and are acting as a useful idiot.
What? They never asked them to decrease coverage, they asked them to stop creating panic over the situation, stating that they don't see the situation as any worse than before.
Sorry I can't reply to the rest of your post as it is not a coherent sentence and I can't understand what you mean.
the reason they asked them to reduce coverage is because it's feeding mis-information machine in Russia which is fueling Russian internal propaganda that the west and Ukraine are the issue
I didn't ask you that.
I asked you specific question what threat are Russia under that's immenient according to the Russians that needs 100k troops.
Stop avoiding questions and trying to change the story and the question.
Putin's main goal is to get very very rich along with the Oligarchs and uses the army to pursue these goals, there ain't no idealism involved, if some of his get killed, so what, there are plenty more can be conscripted.
I'm not, I'm looking at the facts and have come to the conclusion the Russian narrative is far more realistic than the Western one, the facts are Russia said they have no plans to invade, Ukraine is telling the West to stop creating panic over the situation and that they don't see the situation now as any worse than before.
While the intelligence agencies and the British and American governments are telling us that an invasion is imminent and that Russia is preparing a false flag attack against it's own people as a pretext for the invasion.
Enough with your narrative talk.
What imminent security threat have Russia faced since invading and talking a large portion of Ukraine territory.
Since you are calling this laughably a defensive action.
Standard MO from MFPM,,,,his posts are liberally peppered by use of derogatory words in his reply's...... Nonsense, Bizarre, Lad, Thin skinned, Assumptions, Smart ass, Hilarious, Disingenuous, Sanctimonious, and the latest one, replying to your post.... Arrogance. Wonder what drives a person to this level of discussion??? Its really strange. I might agree or disagree with a post, and argue a point, but I'd never stoop to using words / phrases belittling the poster.😎
There is a different narrative on the situation, the Kremlin said “The key question was ignored – how the United States and its allies intend to follow the principle of security integrity … that no one should strengthen their security at the expense of another country’s security,”
The other narrative is that the build up of troops on the Ukraine border was done purely out of fears for their own security, similar to the Cuban missile crisis.
I myself personally find this narrative far more realistic than the Western narrative, that Russia put all those troops on the border because they are preparing for an "imminent invasion" and that Russia is preparing a false flag attack against it's own people as a pretext for the invasion.
Ukraine are also telling the west to stop creating panic over the situation, Russia also says it has no plans of invading, I'm not saying the Russian narrative is 100% true, what I'm claiming is that anyone with half a brain can see that the Russian narrative is far more realistic than the one being promoted by the American and British governments and intelligence services.
Channel 4 news ran a good story this evening on how their report from a day or two ago was picked up by Russian media, mistranslated to make out the west are the instigators and rebroadcast on their version of RTE1... give it a watch... even get one of your comrades to retranslate independently what was said..
I know it's truly hype to deploy 100k troops against two borders of a neighbouring country when that specific country has made zero moves to invade.
Its all a bit odd, right. I mean you do these things... Just because.
It seems the actual sides involved, Russia and Ukraine are the ones who most consider the threat to be minor.
The Ukrainian president two days ago called on the West to stop creating panic over the situation and speaking at a news conference on Friday, Zelenskyy said: “I don’t consider the situation now more tense than before. There is a feeling abroad that there is war here. That’s not the case.”
Russia claims they have no intention to invade, Ukraine tells the West to stop creating panic over the situation and that they don't consider the situation now any more tense than before, at the same time the British and American governments acting on information from the intelligence services tell us that an invasion is "imminent" and that Russia is preparing a false flag attack against their own people as a pretext for the invasion.
It's actually just funny now at this stage how much the West is hyping this up for their own benefit and even funnier how easily people are falling for it.
I wonder if minor threat will join the conversation
Alright Yurt, I used strong examples on how propaganda works by using examples of Iraq and how the intelligence services told the media about WMDs in Iraq, the media then reported on it and everyone just assumed it to be true.
This example correlates strongly to much of the information and narrative we are currently being fed like the story that was all over the news recently that Russia was preparing a false flag attack against their own people for a pretext to invade Ukraine, this information was given to the media by the CIA, this is fact and is admitted in some of the articles, albeit less people might have believed it as a few people are starting to cop on after all the lies we have been told by the media over the years and won't just believe every headline they see.
The intelligence services can simply tell the media anything they want with no evidence and then that information will be all over the news and in every newspaper in the West and then like WMDs and all the other lies people with automatically assume it to be true, that's how propaganda works.
The Ukrainian president only two days ago called on the West to stop creating panic on the situation.
The propaganda machines of the West like the BBC, claim in their headlines on the presidents comments misquoting him by saying "Ukrainian president calls on the west to not create panic on the situation", implying they are not already doing so, the panic they are creating has completely brainwashed you so much that you believe anything that goes against the narrative is all Russian propaganda.
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Reminds of cheerful spring and egg posters who cropped up in the original Crimea and ukraine threads 8 years ago , total denials of all things Russia and putin in Ukraine ,
No troops in Crimea and eastern Ukraine and flight MH17 wasn't shot down , instead the Americans planted the reckage of flight MH370 , which disappeared the same year near malasysia .
This is what we're dealing with
It would be helpful though if you could help shed light on the radical right's motivation for supporting Putin.
The scary thing is, he actually believes he's thinking for himself.
From QAnon to Putin online edgelords - there's been psychological studies showing that for certain people if you keep on exposing them to the same point or signal over and over, no matter how ridiculous, eventually their brain kind of gives up and accepts it as a fact and they won't budge. Like flying saucers, CIA conspiracies, you name it. Basically, their birdboxes are highly susceptible to being rewired through repeat signaling.
The people susceptible to this are closely correlated with the lack of a well-rounded critical education that help them sort fact from fiction. It's why Coca-Cola do so much outdoor advertising in lower-income neighbourhoods pushing Coke as a healthy lifestyle beverage even though it's nonsense. It works.
I think we're witnessing it in this thread with our snooker loopy Putinistas.
"There's no Russian military buildup - it's the CIA!!!"
I doodle every day thinking about what part I could play if Russia ever invaded us 😆
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We're off with Iraq again.
The man peddling Kremlin press releases for the past few days is going to tell us how propaganda works. Your brain has been hijacked son, and you've allowed to happen.
You're not edgy, you're a mark. You're like a teenager from the 80s who thinks that professional wrestling is real and that Hulk Hogan is the strongest man that ever lived. It's a loaded term I know, but the phrase useful idiot really is apt here. The real shame is you're not even getting paid to spout this idiocy, you're actually chewing up your free time with this stuff.
The CIA aren't controlling the media sweet summer child, there is actually a fully prepared Russian army on three sides of Ukraine.
@Harryd225 You clearly have no idea how propaganda works, which is why you fall for it so easily.
Your perfect case and point , propaganda and people who fall for it ..........
You clearly have no idea how propaganda works, which is why you fall for it so easily.
In the recent story published by every major Western media outlet that Russia was planning a false flag attack against it's own people as a pretext to invade Ukraine, where do you think the media got this information from? The CIA, this is fact and is pointed out in a few of the articles, if the CIA want to circulate a story in the media or create a narrative then all they have to do is tell the media whatever they want, and boom, the story is everywhere, that's how propaganda works.
How will we know if this is true or not? We don't but most people will assume it to be true anyway if the media reports it, it's the exact same way propaganda was promoted during the Iraq war and other US conflicts, the intelligence agencies simply told the media about WMDs, the media reported on it and everyone just assumed it to be true.
It's basically a Mexican standoff between Biden and Putin....
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