Are we really that desperate for people to prop up the pension pyramid scheme?
They had the benefit of fair due process, not been successful, us the taxpayers foot that bill, ok, then we are forced to pay again a second time and if they fail again we pay for their appeal….a third go…amnesty…
we are literally being put up against our own wall, our own gun put to our head and ‘click’… it’s nuts what’s happening in our country, we are being shafted big time…
whatever empathy I have for people trying to improve their lot in life by coming here is rapidly shifting to just us here just wanting a fair go and opportunity for the tax we pay and a safe country to live in.
That just isn’t fair..sorry.
What taxes are they paying? Do you mean VAT or something else that is unavoidable.
Are they paying taxes on income earned? No they're not.
The word salad in this thread to divert attention away from what is being done is incredible. Pity that no one dissects the ministers words on radio a few months back when she said lots of the illegals don't even realise they are illegal...such rubbish.
I suppose we shouldn't call them illegal anymore, undocumented seems to be the buzz word now, just a minor administrative error that needs to be corrected.
Irish politicians are a disgrace.
A one off amnesty suggests that something tougher may be coming down the track. In that small space between the deport them now and make an illegal alien your BFF extremes it makes sense to address it once and for all. The numbers involved are not that big anyway.
Exactly such a scheme was in the Green Party election manifesto and their Programme for Government.
Really shocking to see Irish citizenship and rights to live here being thrown around like cheap confetti to all and sundry. But not surprising. Successful countries all police their borders and scrutinize entrants.
How? Illegals can't be registered for any kind of direct tax. Employers will be paying them in cash... so there's no tax declaration involved. Which means their contributions to tax would only be indirect.
Really? I hadn't realised that. Thanks. Good to know.
The numbers change depending on the article released. At one time it was an estimated 30k illegals, and now it's listed as 17k.. and they're still estimates rather any serious accounting of numbers. The actual amount could be higher, or lower, but it's more likely to be in the higher bracket. Irelands annual immigration is roughly 60k, so it's not small numbers being involved in this amnesty.
And an amnesty actually suggests the opposite with a relaxation on restrictions for migrants.. to get people used to the idea. The actual numbers of people deported from Ireland are quite low... compared with those avoiding deportation. Ireland doesn't have a particularly good track record in deportations, with people disappearing before the order could be carried out. A slice of these est 17k could be of those who avoided deportations in the past.
I don’t think paying tax and contributing are any real priorities of illegal economic migrants. They are out for what they can get while keeping under the radar. If a country is as soft as Ireland to allow it go on then opportunists will exploit it.
Applicants are allowed to include a spouse or partner, and children aged between 18 and 23 in their applications
So no children under the age of 18?
Has the Minister given any information on family reunification for those who apply for this scheme. I assume they will be able to bring over their children, spouses etc.
If so are these included in the 17,000 figure or are they extra?
lol
I take it you forgot what you wanted to say in the time it took you to bang out these three letters. Poor stuff really but each to their own!
An amnesty sets a precedent…
in 10 years time, do it again as ‘it’s been done’.
instead in 10 years it won’t make the headlines though, we’ll have been desensitised to it all…
No, I was genuinely laughing at the naivety of your post
We need skilled labour. And to be honest we need unskilled labour. I've worked with many migrants who were superb workers and honest decent people. If I was setting up my own business in the morning there are about 10 people I would headhunt and 7 of them are non-Irish from a range of countries from Poland to the Philippines to Nigeria. Great guys. I only wish Irish lads would work as hard.
But allowing people to stay with criminal records? Even with convictions for serious crimes? That is nuts!! If we do that we might as well start handing out Irish citizenship certificates with the parole paperwork in Nigerian prisons. Try getting into America or Australia with a criminal record. And if you commit a crime there they will give you a long prison sentence and then when it is over they frog march you onto the deportation plane and **** you out of the country never to be left back in. That is what we should do also.
If Helen McEntee goes ahead with this insane clause in the legislation not only will she never be Taoiseach but she will lose her seat in the next election and rightly so.
That 17K estimate is based on those who've been here at least four years so it's about 5% of the total migration.
I find it interesting how the "undocumented" phrase is coming into common use, replacing the older "illegal".
If I'm caught driving without license & insurance, am I just an "undocumented driver"? And I can await my amnesty?
What are they going to do about the rest so.
Was this a Department of Justice estimate or where did it come from?
I'm not completely opposed to this scheme, but I can't help but think we're being sold a pup with the numbers, the general administration of it, and that it's really a one-off.
Must be out of the DOJ and it's in the original article in the OP. I agree it does need to be a one off. Even as an occasional event it will begin to annoy people.
This lady seemed to manage it
There is a need for skilled/unskilled labor... true.. and it's generally healthy for that to be the case. However, it's worth considering that the Irish economy might not be doing that well over the next decade due to the aftershocks of covid, the energy problems, the debt issues at corporate levels, etc.
The point is.. once you have all these workers here, will we be supporting them when there's no longer work available for them? The move behind this amnesty is to recognise them as being temp visa workers, but there's still been plenty of remarks about heading towards citizenship, which means that many of those involved will be able to claim welfare supports should the economy turn... while they're waiting for new jobs which may or may not come about.
There seems to be this weird desire to increase the population of the country without considering whether the economy can support them during the less optimum periods.
How many are the rest?
Non-EU student visa holders are unhappy with this because they're excluded from the amnesty
Legal case incoming...
Don't worry employers can be fined 250k, plus all the back tax and PRSI. This scheme will really put the cat among the pigeons. Revenue will not hold back, unless their political overloads tell them to.
Maybe someone can post the link on this, I couldn't find the embassy figure. The Brazilian embassy reckons theres iirc 80k Brazilians in Ireland, the last census had it as 13k! Brazil alone could hit the 17k figure.
She hasn't a clue
"Minister of Justice Helen McEntee has again failed to provide any details of the studies her Department claims support the estimate that there are 17,000 undocumented people in the country.
Both the Department and Minister have been keen to distance themselves from that figure in recent weeks, saying that the figure is merely an estimate provided by the Migrant Rights Centre of Ireland (MRCI), but the figure has been a key part of the messaging employed by the Minister and her Department in support of their planned amnesty for illegal immigrants.
The figure of 17,000 has often been presented as if it represents a cap on the number of illegal immigrants who will be granted amnesty under the government’s new scheme, but the Department confirmed to Gript last year that it was nothing of the sort."
Interesting. In my innocence I thought they were here to do university courses, not get citizenship.
The actual final figure will be very interesting.
Any foreigners I ever shared gaffs with never bothered with the census. Are we into sticking a finger in the air territory to estimate the numbers involved?
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