Are we really that desperate for people to prop up the pension pyramid scheme?
This lady seemed to manage it
Must be out of the DOJ and it's in the original article in the OP. I agree it does need to be a one off. Even as an occasional event it will begin to annoy people.
Was this a Department of Justice estimate or where did it come from?
I'm not completely opposed to this scheme, but I can't help but think we're being sold a pup with the numbers, the general administration of it, and that it's really a one-off.
What are they going to do about the rest so.
I find it interesting how the "undocumented" phrase is coming into common use, replacing the older "illegal".
If I'm caught driving without license & insurance, am I just an "undocumented driver"? And I can await my amnesty?
That 17K estimate is based on those who've been here at least four years so it's about 5% of the total migration.
We need skilled labour. And to be honest we need unskilled labour. I've worked with many migrants who were superb workers and honest decent people. If I was setting up my own business in the morning there are about 10 people I would headhunt and 7 of them are non-Irish from a range of countries from Poland to the Philippines to Nigeria. Great guys. I only wish Irish lads would work as hard.
But allowing people to stay with criminal records? Even with convictions for serious crimes? That is nuts!! If we do that we might as well start handing out Irish citizenship certificates with the parole paperwork in Nigerian prisons. Try getting into America or Australia with a criminal record. And if you commit a crime there they will give you a long prison sentence and then when it is over they frog march you onto the deportation plane and **** you out of the country never to be left back in. That is what we should do also.
If Helen McEntee goes ahead with this insane clause in the legislation not only will she never be Taoiseach but she will lose her seat in the next election and rightly so.
No, I was genuinely laughing at the naivety of your post
An amnesty sets a precedent…
in 10 years time, do it again as ‘it’s been done’.
instead in 10 years it won’t make the headlines though, we’ll have been desensitised to it all…
I take it you forgot what you wanted to say in the time it took you to bang out these three letters. Poor stuff really but each to their own!
lol
Has the Minister given any information on family reunification for those who apply for this scheme. I assume they will be able to bring over their children, spouses etc.
If so are these included in the 17,000 figure or are they extra?
Applicants are allowed to include a spouse or partner, and children aged between 18 and 23 in their applications
So no children under the age of 18?
I don’t think paying tax and contributing are any real priorities of illegal economic migrants. They are out for what they can get while keeping under the radar. If a country is as soft as Ireland to allow it go on then opportunists will exploit it.
The numbers change depending on the article released. At one time it was an estimated 30k illegals, and now it's listed as 17k.. and they're still estimates rather any serious accounting of numbers. The actual amount could be higher, or lower, but it's more likely to be in the higher bracket. Irelands annual immigration is roughly 60k, so it's not small numbers being involved in this amnesty.
And an amnesty actually suggests the opposite with a relaxation on restrictions for migrants.. to get people used to the idea. The actual numbers of people deported from Ireland are quite low... compared with those avoiding deportation. Ireland doesn't have a particularly good track record in deportations, with people disappearing before the order could be carried out. A slice of these est 17k could be of those who avoided deportations in the past.
Really? I hadn't realised that. Thanks. Good to know.
How? Illegals can't be registered for any kind of direct tax. Employers will be paying them in cash... so there's no tax declaration involved. Which means their contributions to tax would only be indirect.
Really shocking to see Irish citizenship and rights to live here being thrown around like cheap confetti to all and sundry. But not surprising. Successful countries all police their borders and scrutinize entrants.
Exactly such a scheme was in the Green Party election manifesto and their Programme for Government.
A one off amnesty suggests that something tougher may be coming down the track. In that small space between the deport them now and make an illegal alien your BFF extremes it makes sense to address it once and for all. The numbers involved are not that big anyway.
What taxes are they paying? Do you mean VAT or something else that is unavoidable.
Are they paying taxes on income earned? No they're not.
The word salad in this thread to divert attention away from what is being done is incredible. Pity that no one dissects the ministers words on radio a few months back when she said lots of the illegals don't even realise they are illegal...such rubbish.
I suppose we shouldn't call them illegal anymore, undocumented seems to be the buzz word now, just a minor administrative error that needs to be corrected.
Irish politicians are a disgrace.
They had the benefit of fair due process, not been successful, us the taxpayers foot that bill, ok, then we are forced to pay again a second time and if they fail again we pay for their appeal….a third go…amnesty…
we are literally being put up against our own wall, our own gun put to our head and ‘click’… it’s nuts what’s happening in our country, we are being shafted big time…
whatever empathy I have for people trying to improve their lot in life by coming here is rapidly shifting to just us here just wanting a fair go and opportunity for the tax we pay and a safe country to live in.
That just isn’t fair..sorry.
When the money tree dies in this country. It's going to be fun.
the people here illegally are probably paying taxes as well.
"Those with minor convictions can apply"....nearly everything is minor compared to being an illegal immigrant!
We have immigration laws for a reason. The hundreds of thousands who came here legally, jumped through all the hoops, paid all the extortionate fees, paid their tax etc. must be fcuking fuming!
Because these agendas weren't part of their election campaigns... and the politicians have decided to do these things without the approval of the electorate. I don't see the point in blaming the people who voted the government in... it's not as if other parties wouldn't jump at the chance to do similar gestures.
Between O'Gorman giving refugees own door accomodation and now McEntee opening illegals with open arms, we really do have a terrible government. How tf did people vote for these scumbags????
I saw RTE had an interview on tv earlier with an illegal immigrant. No face blurred, openly talking how she couldn't leave the country or she wouldn't get back in. Openly stated she's sending money back out of the country to her children.
So would you believe that all illegal migrants should be made legal, bypassing the visa requirements we have in place to protect both the Irish economy and society, in general?
Just to be fair...Shouldn't we drop the restrictions on all visa requirements for anyone wanting to move to Ireland then? (because that's what this amnesty is doing for every illegal migrant who has already made into the country) Just open our borders entirely, and give everyone the right to live, work and receive supports?
It's an argument you are having with perfectly acceptable vocabulary.
Leave me out of it. Nothing to do with me, I didn't invent it.
I merely tried to explain it to you, citing examples.
Great news.
A rare occasion when I can say well done to McEntee
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