I would see it as bravery, because not trying something is the easy option. All that is being done here is a trial, for 6 months. Why are people so against or afraid of that idea? If it doesn't work out, all opposed can then say 'I told you so....' but seem very afraid of it being a successful trial.
Indeed it was. (?)
It was the executive who came up with the options....
Thats why we have plans to use the bypass and the space it gives as reason to put in alternative transport
And again, you keep saying this yet there is no plans to free up space if the GCRR ever opens.
Who is the "we", what are the "plans"?
If you have verifiable information that says otherwise please do share it otherwise this exists only in your imagination.
It is not bravery... There was a discussion period and the public looks like a pretty resounding no... Thats why we have these discussions... Concillors will leverage the Emergency Services as the excuse...
Thats why we have plans to use the bypass and the space it gives as reason to put in alternative transport... Limerick screwed up but that doesn't mean Galway will also... Galway is trying to learn from their mistake not repeat it..
Also Galway is growing faster than Limerick... Limerick has 6 -7 bridges or tunnels over/under the Shannon... Galway is going to end up with two...
Yeah seems most likely.
A lot of them are back-pedaling, they flip flop depending on which side is the most vocal. Very few seem to hold their own beliefs.
Technically they'll only be reviewing which of the 2 options they're going ahead with. Possibly with changes based on the public feedback, not sure.
It could be interesting if there is a large local support in the consultation, there are very vocal small groups for and against but a large quieter middle ground.
Both options the council offered are very much lacking, but hopefully the better of them can be improved upon with all the consultation feedback.
If they're going to block a temp cycleway (again!) they might need to pull some political tricks. They're not meant to be able to vote again for 6 months after the last 17-1 approval vote. Possibly some dirty delay tactic, pushing it into Donal Lyons' term as mayor.
It's still up in the air, I think. Clodagh Higgins has done her U-turn, not for the first time. It seems short sighted to me. She comes across as a weather vane with no firm principles, just swinging whichever way she thinks the wind is blowing. Are the other FG councillors going to row in behind Clodagh or will they see their interests lie closer to Hildegarde Naughton, who has already invested a lot of political capital in this project?
Then you have Labour, who just published a detailed submission supporting Option 2 with some sensible tweaks. Niall McNelis could still go against that but it wouldn't look good.
The three independents on the east side would all be happy to go against it, I think. There were screen shots on Twitter of texts to constituents, purporting to come from Declan McDonnell, advising people to send in submissions against the cycle lane.
Fianna Fail will weigh up the ramifications carefully before deciding. Mike Cubbard? Who knows.
So four Councillors definitely for, no matter what. Another five Councillors most likely against. And then wait and see for the other nine?
well,that was a whole load of nothing.🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱😴
I have a no doubt at all that the councillors will do a complete U-turn on this. They aren’t brave enough to decide on something like this, even though it’s only a 6 month trial!
What are the odds now that this salthill cycleway gets shelved when presented to the councillors?
I hate to be pessimistic but that crowd can be very fical, I know the voted 16-1 for the trial in the past but let’s be honest, they can’t lead, they don’t know what they’re doing.
If something like this cannot get the go ahead in Galway, honestly, it’s going to set the place back years! Even car centric development isn’t progressing.
For all those who keep saying the Galway Ring Road will allow the rest of the city to have priority reallocated to public transport and active travel, all you need to do is look at Limerick to understand why no one believes that. They've already had their €660m bypass/tunnel for more than a decade yet the centre is still clogged with cars and there are no serious plans to change that.
Jaysus, how bad are things in Limerick that Galway is seen as a better option for funding
Their logic defies belief and it can ONLY be concluded that they are deliberately avoiding putting serious effort into improvements for sustainable modes to try and make a case for the GCRR. Its a bonkers approach.
This is it in a nutshell, been doing it for decades.
Same approach was adopted with the previous "Bypass" as well.
Well that's not very inspiring! Would rather they picked out fewer and better defined goals and actually did them. Most of these projects roll development plan to development plan.
Great synopsis @[Deleted User] , thanks! ( even if it is a little underwhelming and depressing)
Specific to the topic of this thread, here are some excerpts from the draft plan. Note a lot of whats in it is just a copy and paste from the current GTS and as such does not hold much value as the GTS is about to get rewritten.
There are a number of objectives, which seem to run contrary to what the GCRR will deliver so its really hard to see how they are going to square the circle on this
I think this quote basically sums up their approach, skill, knowledge and willingness to take real action
"The existing road network needs to cater for a range of users and a variety of journeys within the city and even with investment in sustainable modes the problems cannot be entirely addressed."
The only issue with that is its 100% incorrect and there exists a colossal volume of research, studies, reports and data that indicate otherwise. The above quote sorta explains the poor effort, in many respects, the GCC are taking as regards sustainable modes. Their logic defies belief and it can ONLY be concluded that they are deliberately avoiding putting serious effort into improvements for sustainable modes to try and make a case for the GCRR. Its a bonkers approach.
The draft City Development Plan for Galway City covering 2023-2029 is now open for public consultation
I would strongly advise everyone to take the time to go through the document and make a submission on the elements that you have a stake in.
Very large numbers of people have their school or workplace within 5km of home.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/more-than-half-of-travellers-use-cars-for-journeys-under-2km-1.2303451
"like eggs from a basket and skulls will be cracked open" 😁
The only segregation on the Monkstown road is painted lines and the space for cars is two narrow so cars are encroaching on cyclists. Many people do not like cycling on the two way cycle lane as it can be full of lycra wearing speeding male cyclists so they cycle on the Monkstown road and its unsafe.
2 conflicting statements there.
If you cant cope with cycling in traffic then maybe you should stick to walking on the footpath or drive or take public transport.
lol
The sandymount two way scheme would have been utilised in the same way,nice trip on the bike for people,many of whom probably dont even live in the area
Is living in the area a requirement for travelling through the area? If so I wonder how many motorists are from outside the area and have you spoken to them about their invasion?
And the facilities in Dunlaoghaire and in Salthill and in every seafront area in the country need to be accessible to everyone but particularly the elderly and those with disabilities and no, suggestions to buy adult sized trikes is not a solution.
Safe infrastructure provision enables additional modes to access these areas safely. It should also be noted that its the cycling groups in Galway doing most of the calling for additional infrastructure for those with mobility issues and the elderly. Also nothing wrong with trikes. There are more and more of them on the roads lately and they allow for a lot of folks to get out for a spin that otherwise would not be able to.
What is with that group of people spreading themselves over the whole road
Nothing wrong with it, perfectly legal
I would never have put my children in danger like that.
That you view cycling as dangerous is kinda the point. Its not safe for children and we need to make provision for all the cyclists you dont see
Also one of the women has two children in another segment has two children in a cargo bike,neither child has a helmet on and neither has the mother.
I see this everyday, one woman was speeding downhill yesterday in a bicycle lane full of fallen leaves with traffic whizzing by, her three year old was not securely tied and neither did he have a helmet on. If the parent lost control of that contraption that child would have been turfed out head first into traffic.
According to the stats, you are more likely to suffer a head injury in a car than on a bike, so I hope you are wearing yours when you're driving.
I have been to the Netherlands and their cycling provisions went in decades ago.
They started decades ago, but its an ongoing process
Its much safer to cycle there but I am talking about a parent putting a child in a box attached to a bike and cycling at speed on a busy road with only a painted line segregating her from traffic.
Its good that you acknowledge that paint is not infrastructure and is not classed as sufficient by anyone these days. Thankfully the days of painted bike lanes are coming to an end as councils have woken up over the last few years. The new design guidelines for cycling infrastructure will be released next year which will make this a thing of the past.
BTW, welcome to the discussion 🙂
Its much safer to cycle there but I am talking about a parent putting a child in a box attached to a bike and cycling at speed on a busy road with only a painted line segregating her from traffic.I regularly see another woman cycling with three unhelmetted small children in a box attached to the front of the bike,if she loses control of the bike the children will be turfed out like eggs from a basket and the skulls will be cracked open.
Many roads here are too narrow to accomodate cyclists and traffic safely so the least a parent can do is not cycle at speed downhill with a child bouncingin the back with no protection on their head. As I said I cycled for years through all sorts of weather and the thought of taking half a road away to provide me with a two way cycling facility never crossed my mind. I actually loathe those two way cycling schemes,its much better in my opinion to cycle with the traffic in the direction you are going.
The Deansgrange, Blackrock one way proposal has been abandoned now too, another hair brained scheme that would have brought misery to local residents,more of the traffic evaporation arguements rolled out,its just so predictable and tiring at this stage.
Where exactly is this bicycle lane full of fallen leaves in late January please?
How many videos of Monkstown Road not backed up will I need to share for you to admit that your claims are nonsense?
You’d have a heart attack here in the Netherlands where I am, not a helmet in sight!
Fantastic support from locals for the cycleway throughout social media, I didn't actually realise how much the local people of Salthill wanted it until you bought it up on this thread. Shocking behaviour from some motorists on that video. Every beep and misbehaviour is proof that good cycle amenities need to be implemented and motorists need to be re-routed or retrained.
What is with that group of people spreading themselves over the whole road, I would never have put my children in danger like that.
Its so irresponsible, take whatever chances you want with your own safety but dont put your child in danger.
Yes, the two way cycle lane is mostly used for sunday outings and it was busy during lockdown because there was nowhere to go.
The sandymount two way scheme would have been utilised in the same way,nice trip on the bike for people,many of whom probably dont even live in the area.
It would have caused total chaos on the Merrion Road with traffic backed up to Dalkey and Sandymount village would have been destroyed,the cycle lane would be empty from october to April too.
The idea that people are going to get out of their cars and commute by bike is not realistic,some will but unless your workplace or your school is within five km of your home people will continue to drive no matter how unpleasant that experience becomes.
I live in the Dunlaoghaire area and traffic has never been worse and thats before many people working from home have to go back.
The Monkstown road is taking all the traffic heading to Dunlaoghaire now that half the coast road has been converted into a two way cycle lane.
The cycle lane is empty most of the day and putting a much heavier traffic burden on the Monkstown road has made cycling here much more dangerous. The only segregation on the Monkstown road is painted lines and the space for cars is two narrow so cars are encroaching on cyclists. Many people do not like cycling on the two way cycle lane as it can be full of lycra wearing speeding male cyclists so they cycle on the Monkstown road and its unsafe.
So when anyone talks to you about traffic evaporation I can tell you from personal experience its nonsense.
I am considering selling up now because traffic is backed up on my road all day,journeys that used to take a few minutes are now taking five times as long,cycle lanes are going in everywhere but from October to April there is little demand for this form of transport.
I feel my enjoyment of my neighbourhood has been impacted very badly and I say this as someone who has always cycled and managed to live fifty yearsof my life without demanding cycle lanes.
It will be asked very quickly how may Option 3 were registered... If that is high, there will be trouble as this would look very anti democratic... They effectively would be acting against the will of the people...
Good Luck with that... If this isn't a resounding success someone's head goes on the block...
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