The BBC has shown that this ghastly place was overrun and liberated on January 27th 1945.
True, it is shameful that the US and others gave them safe passage to work for them as well
Irrelevant to a post I made pointing out that Germans don't have their heads in the sand and nazi buildings were not destroyed or if denial.
If you want to counter that, do so. If virtue signalling is all you have in defense take it to the woke thread.
I was there once. I've read several books about it but to be there and see where such terrible things were done... Once is enough for me.
i've heard it leaves a mark alright but it's important they are kept, like i believe the bunker ect should have been kept. The argument about a shrine to neo nazis doesn't wash, in that case how come the concentration camps aren't all shrines now.
No it wasnt, ffs. The intentions and scale of Hiroshima are not in any way comparable to the Holocaust.
Same here. The scale of the place is disturbing...suitcases...shoes...shudder
I think it's important to visit if possible but I can see how it would be unbareable for some.
Because it is much easier to hero worship at the bunker where he made his "brave" final stand, vs at the camps that reveal the reality of the atrocity he committed.
I was in tears in the room with the hair. And going in the gas chamber, awful.
Just read about Mengele. Then you will not compare Japan.
Imagine having horrendously painful operations without any anaesthetic or pain-relief. They literally devised new, cruel ways to torture people. They injected caustic substances into awake people’s eyes. Killed babies by injecting chloroform into their heart. Kept injecting air into peoples veins to work out how much air is needed to cause a stroke or death
Imagine that these people looked their fellow man in the face and then proceeded to dissect them like a piece of alive meat.
it makes me want to cry
Easier to "secure" the camps as focal points and the foot traffic adds to it. Having thousands of small buildings around the place would lead to it being more likely.
Also, irrelevant to them "destroying all the Nazi buildings". Plenty were left up, some examples have already been provided, but I'm sure no matter how many exceptions there's no point trying to convince you that you're wrong. Also a whole load of the destruction that there was was started by the occupiers to "denazify" the country.
if you've not seen it, this is an excellent documentary:
Hilarious how many people need an enemy or hate figure so they can convince themselves that they are from better stock.
Yes a real sicko, what he did to twins was even worse, cutting arms and legs off and stitching them back on the other twin, and poison one with one substance and the other with a different poison to see how they react, and then he flees to south america and ends up practicing medicine over there. Unreal
The Fuhrerbunker is 'not' unmarked. I've been there twice since 2018 and there are always tourists and tour groups at the location - most recent time I was there, there was a large school group of Dutch teenagers there with their teacher.
The truth is that we are all human and we all shed the same blood. We are far more alike than we are different. Whether left or right or whatever, anything that divides us is bad.
Indeed. But humans are flawed, selfish and greedy by nature. It is naive to think that this could only have happened in one specific nature. It can happen anywhere if the circumstances are right.
Everyone should visit once in their lives - its all well and good reading about it in books and watching documentarys on tv but theres just this feeling that hits you when you get there. Its a complete shock to the system when you see the rooms with shoes / hair etc. Even small things that are away from the main areas like kids toys - its absolutely shocking that this only happened 77 years ago.
Some of us know the families of people that have died in concentration camps intimately. More upsettingly, some readers have lost their families tragedy to the evil fascist regimen. But you don’t care who you upset. You just want to have your cheap laughs. Well done you! Aren’t you so clever with your funny Hitler picture. What do you think that people think about you when they see you projecting your image to the Boards community (largely pseudo-anonymous) as Hitler? Nobody is laughing. You look pathetic. And throw the next catch-phrase that you can find in the Daily Mail at me. People that do that are at best lazy thinkers and more often either a) sociopathic or b) completely stupid
your comment is cheap.
Find it really interesting that no-one seems to care that the allies knew about the camps at least 2 years before they liberated the first camp...yet they didn't give fiddler's because it didn't affect themselves (the allies)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/holocaust-allied-forces-knew-before-concentration-camp-discovery-us-uk-soviets-secret-documents-a7688036.html%3famp
One of saddest things is the terrible things done to the Jewish Community during that time, you'd think thaey would be the last to inflict this sort of behaviour on their fellow humans, but this is exactly what they doing to the palestinians by murderering them, terrorising them and stealing their houses. I guess history has a way or repeating itself.
It can happen anywhere there is them versus us mentality. Eventually, it leads to the systematic dehumanisation of a group within society. They threaten us. They are these evil, subhuman species.
The sad thing is that we all have the same number of chromosomes, same biology, want largely the same things from life and will all reach the same fate. Yet people are too stupid to see beyond the misconceptions
A lot of people have traumatic pasts. Do you need to be mindful of every possible scenario in case you might upset someone?
The poster you are criticising here has had this avatar since I first joined this site, they didn’t change it just to post on this thread. I can’t see anything offensive in their posts here so I’m not sure why this is causing such a wave now.
This topic has been debated considerably since the 1990s. In retrospect, the Allies should have sent 1000 bombers to Auschwitz in 1944 and completely flattened the place - it seems they were obsessed with winning the war, that even genocide was something of a sideshow to their military operations.
it is context. We are posting in a thread about the Holocaust on its anniversary.
It is not that the posts are innately offensive. It is that poster’s stance combined with the fact that the person’s image is of Hitler is not appropriate when having a serious discussion about the Holocaust. Furthermore, it is not because somebody wasn’t called out on something before that it is necessarily correct
Yes and it happens everywhere, on every continent, time and again. We have just reached a stage where things are more visible and are unlikely to reach such a scale before other groups try to intervene.
I wish that you were right, but I am not convinced. It is a separate conversation, but I fear that social media can be manipulated to serve a purpose (such as Rohingya)
It's plain human decency and respect Jequon, would you have a hitler avatar ?
It’s is happening again.
Uyghurs In China, might not be industrialised killing but the intent is the same.
I actually couldn’t care less what people chose as an avatar. In this case it’s actually a Hitler parody, and nothing that glorifies him, so I am confused why this is an issue.
Rubbish, the poster specifically tried to have a discussion and is being slapped down for it. Someone said that the Germans were purposefully ignoring their past, this poster then disagreed providing an example, then you and the first poster jumped all over them with hysterical posts implying they were somehow making light of the holocaust. It's a really transparent attempt to stifle disagreement, not to engage in a serious discussion.
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