What took you to Europe? To live and work here?
Why?
How do you expect someone to back up their anecdotal experience? The second sentence was in response to a poster who claimed Asians and Africans do not get on well in the UK. Anyone who has spent time in, lived in or worked in the UK, knows that Asians and Africans get on perfectly well.
as for most illegal immigrants working, I already addressed it. A number of illegal immigrants have overstayed visas, they have continued to work and pay taxes, another cohort work in the black market, many nail bars, restaurants etc.
that is the second time I have posted the same things.
The whole situation is bizarre.
People come to Europe and demand housing. European citizens have to pay tax to provide this housing.
So europeans are paying tax to give houses to immigrants which pushes up house prices.
Yet if you're against this immigration you're a nasty racist and should be ignored?
These pussies who support this should be made to watch a halal slaughter .
You know so many police of different nationalities.I take that with a grain of salt !!
Empty properties that cost money to bring them to a standard suitable for renting !
Demand drives up house prices and immigration is a factor . This makes it harder to afford to buy simple as .
“ Most illegal immigrants are working in this country and paying taxes”
“ Anyone I know of Asian and African ethnicity get on perfectly well”
You can of course backup these claims !
It really is rather basic, some quite magical thinking required to form the belief that immigration does not affect property prices.
Yes, I remember him, and no, I don’t think DCC’s social housing waiting list was any quieter or busier that day than any other day. They already had the accommodation, sold to DCC by the developer fulfilling their obligations under the Housing Act as one of 19 properties set aside for social housing.
I also know that accommodation is based upon an assessment of need and the suitability of the property. Gym, concierge and pet ownership were not part of the agreement signed with the approved housing body managing the tenancies on behalf DCC. It wasn’t just that clown (that may be the one thing we both agree on 😂) who was impacted by the decision, there were also other social housing tenants involved who also peeved at the fact they were being discriminated against because of the fact that the agreement with the housing body did not give them the same rights as the other property occupants who were not social housing tenants -
The decision had nothing to do with the fact he was an immigrant, nor the fact that he had arrived from Canada six months earlier. His need for accommodation was assessed on the same basis as everyone else on social housing waiting lists like Margaret Cash and the many, many other Irish people who have been vilified on Boards by social justice warrior types who take it upon themselves to opine on behalf of the hard working taxpayer who is paying for these people’s lifestyles, y’know, Irish people like Martina Deegan and her children -
Let’s not pretend you actually give a shìte about Irish people being pushed up or down any social housing list, they’re only useful as an abstract concept when you want to argue that immigrants should be deprived of accommodation. You’d deprive Irish people of accommodation if you could just as quickly for not meeting your exceedingly high standards of moral virtue, to the point where the only person on your social housing list would be the people who don’t have any need for accommodation in social housing, people who are not just identical to you, they are you! 😂
Doesn’t operate like that Fandymo, and I wouldn’t hold your breath for any apologies for it not operating as you want it to either.
No pushing anyone up or down? Do you remember Tenia Karim from a few years ago? A Kurdish man and resident of a social housing apartment worth €700,000 in a luxury Rathgar development, who stupidly went public whinging that social welfare tenants didn’t get to use the buildings private gym.
Who until a few months beforehand had been working in Calgary Airport in Canada, but had arrived in Ireland and within 6 months was in a social welfare apartment and was called out on his tweets from a few months previously where he walked out of his job in Calgary due to “racism”.
Probably just lucky that DCCs list was quiet at the time eh?
You continue to make claims that weren't made... Nobody in recent months, has wanted all immigrants deported. Just as nobody has said for us to leave the EU.
You really need to get a grip. Perhaps stick to what people have written as opposed to the arguments you make up. God knows, if you actually understood the topic at hand, you'd be able to actually argue properly (without constantly needing to make **** up).
Still waiting on that evidence I requested, Mark.
Yawn... I glanced over the huge report and saw no distinction of immigrants provided outside of "UK Vs Non UK".
Not engaging with you again. Waste of time..all the best.
I'd have thought it is fairly basic stuff to grasp, more people= more housing needed.
When the tiger calved we had net emigration, more houses than were required and prices n rents slumped. Some posters may deny that also though!
Why don’t you read the report I provided for yourself and find out? I wouldn’t expect you to take my word for anything.
Ha? Do your own research if you want to make a point. Don’t expect I’m going to do your research for you.
It’s an absolute certainty I know less than you do, which is why I’m having difficulty with your rather vague statement tbh. The reason this line of discussion kicked off is because the claim was made that mass immigration means immigrants are getting houses, meaning Irish people are unable to get houses.
It’s simply not true that immigration has any impact on anyones ability to purchase property. What impacts anyones ability to purchase property is their ability to pay for it. That’s it. Immigration doesn’t push up house prices - increased demand sets the values of properties. Immigration doesn’t decrease house prices either, but ghettoisation of immigrants can see the value of properties in any given area, drop like a stone - properties are more affordable, but Irish people don’t want to live among immigrants in ghettoised areas.
People suggesting that Ireland leave the EU have absolutely no understanding of contemporary economics.
Considering that's counting ALL immigration it's not exactly a great barometer.
As migrants from countries such as Ireland will be close to 100%, as they are usually go getters.
It will skew the numbers if the large proportion of migrants are working to near 100%.
Find a report of non EU migration(excluding the newest nations) and see what the figures are.
Of course mass immigration reduces wages on a national level.... how could it possible be otherwise?
High levels of immigration to any developed country do lead to increased property prices, as surely as night follows day. Trying to argue otherwise is really strange. You must know something that has eluded the worlds finest minds up until now.
Right, I get where you’re coming from - you’re not referring to the labour market on a national level, you’re referring specifically to your own employer and your own employment sector. I don’t want to know the specific details or anything like that, but the point you’re making doesn’t apply at national level, it applies to your employer and your own area of employment.
This demonstrates what I mean:
A number of studies have examined whether immigration leads to higher unemployment or inactivity among existing workers, and most have found either small effects or no effect.
Reviewing the results of 12 studies conducted between 2003 and 2018, the Migration Advisory Committee (2018) drew three conclusions. First, that immigration has little or no impact on average employment or unemployment of existing workers. Second, that where an impact is found it tends to be concentrated among certain groups – i.e. a negative effect for those with lower education and a positive effect for those with higher levels of education. And third, that the impact may depend on the economic cycle; some—though not all—studies have found adverse effects on employment or unemployment specifically during downturns.
My employer used a lot of EU labour because they were cheap. They were scared of Brexit because they knew they would have to put wages up to attract workers....
It doesn't happen apparently! Big shortage of truckers, welders, etc here and in the UK. When the polish lads came over 20 years ago they'd work for less than paddy. Now a lot of the polish lads have gone back n there's no one to drive trucks as sod all Irish went trucking the last 20 years.
Guess what - truckers are getting good money now as they are scarce. Good on them, they deserve it.
That’s not immigration having an effect, it’s literally an increase in demand in an area! Whether they’re immigrants or not is neither here nor there, their purchasing power is no different than anyone else’s.
There’s a particular fly in the ointment already with the Government’s new housing plan which will have a greater impact on housing and affordable housing on a national level, as opposed to being restricted to a particular highly desirable area, or what could make an area undesirable even -
Echoes of this sort of behaviour -
Would you mind explaining the rationale behind the two ideas here, how they’re related?
One of the drawbacks was my employer had to pay higher wages to attract staff..
More workers means lower wages.... you might not be able to understand that. However most people here would understand that intuitively.....
I’m trying to figure out what you mean, and whether it has anything to do with Brexit at all, or whether it had more to do with the Modern Slavery Act in the UK, this one -
Because more workers does not mean lower wages. I’m not able to understand what you mean, but I’m interested to hear the rationale behind it. Either your employer is full of BS, or your understanding of concepts like the labour market and supply and demand of labour, employment legislation, production, cost of goods and services, logistics, etc, is a bit sketchy.
More questions from you, never answers.
Why don't you tell us what you do for a living? And why you decided to live in Ireland to do it?
And yet that hasn't happened, so no matter what you may think is intuitive, the wages have gone up.
Brexit, such a bad idea!
Yeah, good idea.
Why dont you tell us what you do for a living? Then we can flood Ireland with people that will do your job for half your salary?
Immigration has an impact on the property market. Of course it does. If there is a lot of immigration to an area there is more demand for property. That’s really basic. Again, it’d be nice if it was not the case, if large numbers of people immigrating for a number of years didn’t mean higher prices than there would be otherwise, but it is inevitable.
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