Who is forcing anyone to purchase or drive a car in Ireland?. It isn't like the U.S. where there aren't pavements or space for bicycles.
I don't think your link actually hits home with anyone on this side of the Atlantic.
...although during the pandemic access to the local supermarket was only allowed with trolley and the cashier gave out to me when I turned up at checkout with three items in my hands.
Experiences like this are forcing people to drive and leave their bikes at home.
There isn't a connection between my contribution to the thread and your link to a tweet so I have no idea why you responded by quoting my comment. Whataboutery perhaps.
pg 197 of the rules of the road pdf would indicate that the cyclists were not obeying the rules of the road and I'm sure another page in the same book will show the motorist was not obeying the rules of the road either through excessive use of their horn and failure to keep a safe distance.
Perhaps you are trying to suggest such behaviour is condoned by other motorists and society in general. I don't know. I don't see the relevance of your comment which quotes mine.
it was just an amusing tweet highlighting the futility of using a vehicle far bigger than is necessary; i wouldn't read much more than that into it.
the 'force' was probably just used in the context of the supermarket itself, to reach the analogous situation; rather than a comment that we need to do it with motorists.
If you're going to make allegations about law-breaking, you'd want to be very sure that you understand the difference between ROTR and traffic law.
You asked a question about who is forcing anyone to purchase or drive a car. Perhaps it was rhetorical and you didn't want an answer, but here we are;
Experiences like this are forcing people off bikes and into cars.
@AndrewJRenko; What allegation am I making? They openly admitted to cycling three abreast. I find it very hard to engage with you.
I think the comment by the 7 year old - 'What is she complaining about - she said we were in the middle of the road, well so was she!'
I think that summarises the entitled attitude of drivers. I driver in the middle of the road has more rights that three children in the middle of the road.
failure to make good progress at the inconvenience of other road users would be marked down in a driving test. Not cycling more than two abreast is noted in the rules of the road and I'd speculate it is mentioned in the rules of the road for similar reasons; consideration for other road users.
I would suggest that there is enough blame to go around for all the parties involved.
She didn't 'openly admit' to anything. She said that was the allegation made by the aggressive, bullying driver, that they were cycling three abreast, but the mam didn't admit to anything. TBH, it is fairly unlikely that she would be three abreast in a cycle bus, far more likely that the adult was to the rear, shielding the children, and probably doing a good job at shielding, which is what irritated the bully behind the wheel. And three abreast is permitted while overtaking, btw.
She's not driving though, she's cycling. She's making good progress at cycling speed (which is higher than average driving speed in much of the city). There is no law that requires cyclists to pull over for others. No-one else's journey is more important.
That driver is presumably quite happy to sit for hours in traffic jams starting down the bumper of the car in front, but put them behind a cyclist for 10 or 20 seconds and WW3 breaks out, with talk of 'progress' and 'consideration'. Where's the consideration in driving round with four empty seats all day?
are you proffering this anecdote as justification to ban cars?
You seem to be the only one talking about banning cars here.
I'm simply pointing that we have allowed a situation to develop where cars are the default option, even for short journeys where walking and cycling are very feasible options.
are those bollards strong enough to rip the wheel off a land rover? or did that happen before it hit the bollard, i wonder?
I'm the only one it appears who is explicitly stating the implicit implication of the agitation and advocacy on this sub-forum which is toward banning of cars or restriction of their use to the point where it becomes pointless to own one. The opinion is with a little bit of finessing the "problem" will resolve itself to the cyclists advantage.
for the record I'm in favour of the introduction of thoughtfully placed bollards and guard rails to the benefit of all including commuters who would otherwise be inconvenienced by parents pulling in for "just a moment" while they drop off and collect their offspring. More of this!
What's the latest fudge on the liffey cycle route? The temporary one is lethal in parts and lots of people are returning to work now, surely building a permanent route should have been well underway already.
You're making a big leap from some slight restriction on cars in some areas for some periods to 'towards banning of cars'. We've had car dominated cities for too long now, and our health and our environment is harmed every day as a result. We need to do things a bit differently.
After Galway City recently announced a hike in parking charges, DCC are following suit. Expect other councils to announce increases over the next few weeks
Speaking about the hike in parking fees, Dublin City Council’s Parking Enforcement Officer, Dermot Stevenson, said: “The hourly parking charges are being increased to ensure that there is a suitable deterrent to long stay parking in the city and to encourage a high turnover of users of these parking spaces.
“We also want to encourage sensible parking in the city as well as asking motorists to consider alternative transport methods other than the private car”.
A big reduction in parking is needed, and there's no plan to tackle any multistorey.
A big reduction in parking will send people to out of town retail parks. I'm all for the removal of on street parking, but mulitstory car parks are necessary for this to happen. You're never going to get a city center to be completely car free.
how many people park on the street when doing their shopping in the city centre, compared to using a multi-storey?
That's the plan, basically free up street space over time, which will be used to expand walking, cycling and PT infrastructure.
There will always be a need for parking it just won't be on streets
Tell that to cgcsb who seems to want all parking removed, including multistory.
Sending cars out of the city to 'out of town retail parks' or indeed anywhere they want to go sounds fine to me. Liffey Valley and Blanch will start charging for parking soon.
Multi storeys are not required in the city centre. They are there because of tax breaks gifted to them. We have 15 of them in the city centre. Complete overkill.
We can have a near car free city centre, Oslo achieved this through removing all parking and all through routes.
I think the issue regarding multistorey parking is where some of it is located. To maintain access to it, you are prevented from addressing larger issues within the network.
Personally I have no objection to multistorey parking but they do come with access issues when you consider how the network needs to be improved to increase capacity and safety issues for all modes of transport.
i'd never realised that there was a 'google maps for car parks'
as an absolute baseline minimum, on street parking should cost equivalent or more than private parking.
"... and to encourage a high turnover of users of these parking spaces"
So they want more motor traffic?
Trinity Street is going all by itself to be replaced by a new office building.
Application in to lop a couple of floors off Arnotts car park to build apartments above instead.
Even the car park owners are starting to see there's no future in bringing cars into town.
Clarendon, Drury, Stephens Green and BTs need to go for a start in the short term. That whole area should be car free as a starting point. The other pains are arnotts, the ilac and the 2 on Jervis St.
Not fussed about clearys or Christchurch.
Fleet Street also needs goning.
One of the streets in my city directly adjacent and parallel to the old town removed a lane of traffic and replaced it with a cycle lane and a row of parking spaces about 500 metres long even though that street has about 4 multistorey parking houses on it or nearby. Removal of the traffic lane doesn't appear to impact my travel time on that particular route.
If you discourage parking you rip the heart out of your urban centres as everyone will trek to the out of town shopping centres.
What Dublin is doing is not an example of international best practice.
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