Again, Ireland is well behind the curve compared to the rest of Europe.
Give in even 10 years and this conversation will be on a completely different. Why follow the lead of the disaster in Europe when we can literally see what's happened. The cognitive dissonance is phenomenal.
The above are not facts. They are your opinions, based upon nothing more than your own subjective interpretation of what evidence you have to hand, which is based upon your own initial feelings about immigrants and immigration. I already gave you an example of a fact, that is something which is based not upon subjective opinion, but objective evidence -
We’ll all be dead by the time you’ll have the opportunity to say “I told you I was right!”
As to your questions -
There can never exist such a concept as too much migration that couldn’t be considered anything other than a subjective quantity formed of an individuals own beliefs. That also answers your second and third questions.
It’s simply a question of implementing social policies which apply to any society as a whole, and those social policies will be determined by politicians, not by members of the ordinary general public. That’s why it’s difficult sometimes for me to take some peoples opinions seriously, as if they could ever muster enough numbers to present a credible threat to Irish society.
Here’s another fact - there aren’t enough people who agree with you to want to mobilise a political movement against immigrants in Ireland. Even the political party who claims to want to bring about a United Ireland, knows they cannot do so without the support of immigrants, well, that was before the current shower appeared to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory after such a promising start what with having passed the marriage equality and repeal of the 8th amendment referendums.
It turns out the electorate has a very short memory and will vote for anyone who they imagine will serve their interests best. If there were any interest in anti-immigration policies, the National Party would be tearing up the polls, but they’re not. Instead, they’re languishing at the bottom, which isn’t surprising as the party is made up entirely of bottom feeders.
And how multicultural is the Middle East then? Not very I believe.
I wouldn't now call Assad a good guy, but he did keep a lid on things.
The West (especially US and UK) did interfere and helped fuel the Arab Spring across North Africa and as far as Syria.
Funny enough they didn't do much to ferment in Arabian penisula or in the Gulf.
I guess some are regimes are ok even though they are worse than Assad's one.
Also the dream of the West, and the NGO organisations that chomped at the bit to get rid of these awful dictators, kinda turned very sour when the people didn't embrace secular western styled democracy, but either went with right wing islamists as in Egypt or just started slaughtering each other ala Libya.
In Syria Western backed groups ended up either just giving over the arms to islamists or were in fact islamists all along.
Also a lot of the ones that arrived in Europe were either young fellows that fled Syria rather than fight or were not Syrian at all at all.
Every other refugee crisis was made up of primarily women, kids and the old, but what we got recently was primarily young lads.
Especially those ones that seem to find their way to Libya.
But of course bubbly and the gang will tell us they had to leave their mothers, daughters and sisters at home becauese the trip to Europe was so hazardous.
Funny I would have thought being bombed and facing the prospect of getting caught by the child bride raping ISIS lads would be much worse.
I would definitely defer to your superior knowledge on BS .
Ehh did Dr Bhamjee arrive in Ireland without a passport ?
Did he arrive in Europe on a rubber dinghy by way of people smugglers and NGO taxi services?
You don’t imagine they considered that possibility already, and that it was a contributing factor in their decision to leave in the first place? Staying where they were, would have meant they would not have been making a better life for themselves or their families.
That’s not to discount the reality that there are many people in every country who stay because they want to make a better future for everyone. I know that’s one of the reasons I stayed anyways when all my friends were emigrating to other countries to make a better life for themselves and their families.
It wasn’t just because I ate a dodgy melon on a beach in Corfu once that made me have an epiphany, I swear…
I had the epiphany in the tiny bath, not entirely unlike many of the great Greek philosophers who did their best thinking on the porcelain throne 🤔
Why didn't millions of Irish stay to make Ireland a better place, instead of emigrating?
It's a ridiculous argument. People do what is best for.them and their family and if that involves having to move to another country that's what thousands of families do every year.
Europe was built by Europeans... we shouldn't be expected to share europe....
You planning on giving back all the resources which Europe took from foreign lands, forego all future resources which Europe needs from foreign lands?
I didn’t think so, but sure it makes for a rousing sound bite all the same.
No doubt you’re also an expert in survival techniques (I’m guessing you’re an expert in everything), so I would suggest you gather together all the people who share your ideals, find yourselves a bit of land that nobody else has any claim to, claim it for yourselves, and build your own nation from scratch. You can even call it Glocktopia* if you like, and see how you get on building a civilisation without any contact with the outside world.
*Wakanda was already taken.
Why not stay and try and make their countries better places to live in so that they can have a "better life" there instead?
Hold your horses there a minute Fandymo and let’s examine that “facts over feelings” expression that’s become something of a mantra for some.
Your argument consists of rousing prejudice and scaremongering of immigrants with ideas like they’ll take over Europe by having all the babies and in about… ohh, 1,000 years, we’ll all be sorry we didn’t listen to you when we’re a minority in our own country.
Fact - We’ll all be dead by then.
Now if you want to go from there instead of channeling Enoch Powell and coming off more like Tommy Robinson, certainly as I’ve demonstrated already, I’m willing to give you a fair hearing. If your arguments are along the same lines as your previous efforts (I’ve seen better from you, which is why I said what I said this morning), then let’s both stop wasting each other’s time.
What matter exactly do you know more about?
What has made it worse for Europeans? My life is not worse because of immigration, nor is the life of anyone I know.
I think it's great that we have a country so admired that people want to live here. What brought you here?
I'd suggest someone that has spent 3 years in the ME knows more about multiculturalism than most....
Oh you’re actually serious? It IS an actual pissing contest. Great.
You could spend your whole life in ME, or Iraq, or wherever, and still come home clueless, as many, many people do. Y’know why? Because they’re big feckin’ countries with all sorts of cultural differences and nuance that simply cannot be fully understood nor articulated by one individual with their own biases and beliefs.
The matter is immigrants in Ireland, and the sum total of your contribution is “a lot of Muslim immigrants are extremists”. Well observed, Watson 🙄
You, as well as the rest of the Boards pro-immigration cohort, know that Ireland is a long way behind the rest of Europe. But with the "feelings over facts" mass psychosis that seems to have infiltrated the leaders of Europe and the EU it won't be long before we've caught up.
We've a justice minister telling illegal immigrants that they can have an amnesty to stay here and that "having convictions for minor offences will not, of itself, result in disqualification." Entering a country illegally or illegally overstaying a visa should not be a minor offence, but she's not even talking about this, she is talking about breaking the law whilst being here illegally. It is an absolute shambles.
A better life means just that - better than the life they currently have, or the life they expect to have if they stay in their home countries. It has a really coherent meaning that’s really not as difficult to understand as you make out.
About three years in the ME, including time in Iraq.
I obviously know more about the matter than you.....
Some people here have actually been to the Middle East and know what they are talking about...
Is that what the question was about last night? You think because you spent time in Muslim countries you’re now an authority on World Politics?
Could you quantify “a lot” at all, or be more specific, seeing as you imagine you’re some sort of an authority on the matter?
I don’t have to have been to the Middle East to know what BS looks like, I know what it smells like without ever seeing it.
It just seems bizarre that people come to europe for a "better life", however by coming to europe they objectively make life worse for native Europeans. However if Europeans complain about this they are shouted down as being racist?
Why should Europeans not be able to get a "better life" by keeping immigrants out?
Well at least now I understand the definition of colonisation you’re working off, your argument is a little less ridiculous, and a lot more reasonable. So, in the spirit of good faith, I took your first example of the ISLAM political party in Belgium -
The party was founded with the intention of participating in the 2012 local elections. Lists were submitted in the City of Brussels, Anderlecht and Molenbeek-Saint-Jean. In Anderlecht and Molenbeek, one seat was won with just over 4% of the votes. In Brussels, party chairman Abdelhay Bakkali Tahiri narrowly mised being elected with 2.9% of the votes. Both seats were lost in the 2018 local elections.
Your argument is still as wildly unreasonable as suggesting that Ireland is being colonised when the country’s first Muslim TD was elected to Dáil Éireann back in 1992, and there hasn’t been a Muslim TD elected since -
Probably before your time, he was colloquially referred to as the Indian among the cowboys 😂
Yeah good point. Not enough houses to go around, taxes going up, public services like health always struggling, not enough school places.
I guess mass immigration from people that dont even speak english will solve these problems.
That's the thing too with this "better life" nonsense, it can mean anything from embracing Western culture, to simply having a better lifestyle financially and rejecting Western culture. it's way too general to even have any coherent meaning.
A lot of asylum seekers are fleeing to the West because they are islamist extremists....
In Syria President Assad was a relative good guy. He was relatively peaceful and he held the country together. Extremist islamists tried to take the country over. With Iranian and Russian help he fought the islamists off.
The Islamists (fearing retaliation) from Assad then fled to the West.... there are plenty photos of asylum seekers giving "One God" finger gestures if you care to look.....
Islamic State made clear their intention was to send extremists to Europe.....
Most of them just want the same as every other ordinary European citizen - to be able to participate in society and provide for themselves and their families.
Much like Mark, you seem to have a unique gift for mind reading, otherwise how in the world would you be able to make claims like this with such confidence? Especially when you consider the fact that we know statistically speaking, the majority of certain demographics are on the dole/welfare in many European countries. This is the usual issue though, you framing in a way that makes it seem like they are all the same, when different groups from different cultures behave differently, which is a distinction most of us have made hundreds of times. A EU immigrant from France and an African immigrant from Somalia share little to no similarities in motivations and in outcomes, but to you they are all the same, yet it's us who are the racists who generalize?
Nowhere in the definition of colonise is there an army mentioned. Doesn't give a timeframe either.
Belgium: ISLAM is a Belgian Islamist political party. It aims at the establishment of an Islamic state in Belgium and the replacement of the current and historically existing legal system in Belgium (civil law) with Islamic or sharia law. The party claims to "wait" for Belgium to inevitably become an Islamic state.
France: A relatively new Muslim political party, that wants to overturn the veil ban, is eyeing up a stronger presence on the French political landscape, announcing on Thursday that it will field candidates in eight areas at next month's regional elections. The Democratic Union of French Muslims (UDMF) wants to tackle the under-representation of Muslims in French politics.
Look at the ghettos of Tower Hamlets, Molenbeek, Gennevilliers, Rosengård.
colonize
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verb: colonise
Oh Fandymo the point wasn’t to try and appear witty, the point was your argument deserved nothing more than ridicule! It couldn’t be taken seriously if that’s your idea of colonisation!
In case you missed it, I asked you what political power do immigrants have in Ireland. The answer I would expect should consist of at least one of the regimes from the Stans actually sending their armies en masse to, y’know, actually colonise Europe.
Instead, they’re not sending ANYONE! They’re trying to keep what they see as a cultural invasion of Western liberal ideals out of their own countries! The immigrants coming here are trying to ESCAPE from their regimes, to make a better life for themselves and their families in Europe. They have fcukall political power, let alone the will, to want to topple European democracy. Most of them just want the same as every other ordinary European citizen - to be able to participate in society and provide for themselves and their families.
It’s not that I chose to ignore your point, it’s that you simply don’t have one, unless you want to take a second bite at the cherry and tell me that’s how they’re overtaking Europe by stealth - death by decent food. That’ll probably take half the time it would take to reproduce at a rate that would be of any significance whatsoever to effect a change in political power in Europe, but they’ll have to aim their political aspirations a bit higher than just running the local Kwik-E-Mart.
Well Mark when you questioned the validity of my post because I'm a Christian, and a believer and follower of something that has not been factually proved, ( your words Mark , not mine. )so that would put a large Nr of people outside your terms of reference for sure! I presume that Followers of Islam (also being believers in God) is included in your list of un-approved contributor's? So your preferred posters should all be Atheists'?? Can you actually define who your ideal Boards contributors should be? Make it easy for every one....
A Nigerian and fraud, who'd have thunk it.
Ignore the point to try, and fail, to appear witty. Bravo.
Your evidence of the colonisation of Ireland is the presence of Muslims amounts to 1.3% of the population, and Western fast food chains changing their menu choices hoping to appeal to them?
Dear God man I’d be more concerned about vegans colonising Ireland if that’s your idea of colonisation. The great thing about choice is that you aren’t forced to eat shìt you don’t want to, it’s why I don’t eat vegan shìt. I do understand where you’re coming from though - Abrakebabra, a wholly owned and operated Irish business, their kebabs have gone to shìt lately, or maybe it’s because I’m sober, but the point is they’re shìt anyway, so y’know what I do? I go to the local shop which is owned and operated by Muslims where their kebabs taste like like a heart attack wrapped in foil. Fcuking Heaven on Earth! 😂
Trust me, if McDonalds or Subway thought there was ‘ere a market for fish fillets for Catholics, it wouldn’t just be Pat McDonaghs Supermacs you’d have to traipse to for a fillet box! 😒
I have a very sophisticated palate, so I do 🧐
One of the worst posts ever made on this thread.
And that's saying something.
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