Great point about NGOs in this field.
It's a fckin mess - deliberately in my view.
Would you like their names and addresses as well. 🙄
You continously argue on semantics and nit pick rather than answer hard questions.
Well they are hard for you because it throws into light the farce that you support and defend, that costs the rest of us money.
Here is one when does an illegal immigrant become an asylum seeker and when does an asylum seeker become an illegal immigrant?
Surely they are illegal until they request asylum ?
Surely the latter is when their request for asylum is turned down and they are what you of course you would call a failed asylum seeker?
Now to the rest of us right thinking people (right in more ways than one of course to you) a failed asylum seeker is an illegal immigrant and has no right to be in this country.
Who pays for their continued stay in the state?
Who pays for their continued legal appeals ?
How much did Pamela Izevbekhai cost this state with her 5 legal teams?
I think it worked out at over 1 million.
If someone was shooting at you, you probably argue what fecking bullets they were.
Ah yes it is so important to get the classification and labels of the people we are supporting right.
What hard questions?
Someone who claims asylum when they reach Ireland, is not an illegal immigrant. An asylum seeker who has been refused asylum and exhausted their appeals process, if they do not leave the country when given their notice to leave, is an illegal immigrant. They are facts.
It's not semantics to want actual facts and to know exactly what one is talking about. I'm not sure why you think I don't pay tax? I pay a shitload.
And if someone was shooting at me, I would shoot them back 😉
Posters come on complaining about illegal immigrants costing the taxpayer so much money, and yet, when the questions are asked of how much are they costing? Where are they costing? And how many illegal immigrants are actually contributing to the tax intake? No one can really answer.
it's fairly clear that they don't cost as much as actual legal immigrants in this country. I like deciding things based on facts. Some more posters could do the same.
Except, it has been answered. The research by the British government is used, because the Irish government hasn't done any similar research. Even then, though, posters have provided a range of links/information about the costs of migrant groups (yes groups, I know how much you like to combine them when it's convenient to your argument).
As usual, you're applying your rather short memory to the thread. If information is a few pages in the past, you claim it hasn't been provided. But it has.. numerous times.
It's clear it's the opposite, since legal immigrants will pay in direct taxation, which illegal immigrants don't, due to not having a PPSN number for tax purposes. Legal immigrants are also more likely to be earning a higher income, thus availing of private health services (and other services), and so removing a possible drain on State provided services allocated to those in need.
Now I realise that Bubbly has probably ignored me, but perhaps someone else could point out how wrong he is?
Bubblypop any chance you can provide any facts ?
Well I'm the one looking for facts!
but you can see how much is spent on social protection by nationality in the annual report from the department of social protection
obviously, there is other money spent, housing as such. I asked did anybody have any idea how much is spent on illegal immigrants, so that it could be compared. I don't have figures, that's why I was asking. I would imagine it is much lower, but I don't know.
Most illegal immigrants are working in this country, they have either overstayed a visa and continue to work, or they are on the black market, plenty in nail bars, fast food restaurants and the like around the country. So we know the majority are not in government supports.
I have never said that I agree with illegal immigration, I don't.
Would you agree with enforced deportation as people being put on planes and being escorted back to their country of origin when their asylum process has failed?
Of course. Most leave themselves, but if they do not, then they should be deported.
I think the problem is we dont know if most leave themselves and as you said many work on the black market, better then not working but not ideal in any way either. Shouldn't be able to have numerous appeals and reside in DP for years on end. 1 application and no appeal should be the norm. Would free up space for genuine refugees from war torn countries.
Asylum seekers do not affect the.amount of refugees we take.
For example, the program for taking refugees from Syria have a number that they agree, asylum seekers don't come into it.
We do know that most leave, because there are units that assist in them leaving.
Sorry but if DP is near capacity it absolutely affects the number of refugees we take, government may not say it but commons sense would tell you that. Have you stats to show most leave?
They are any amount of empty properties all over the country and no shortage of people who wish to rent those properties to the government!
I don't believe such figures are published, but this is the office that may have more information
https://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/immigration_protection_citizenship
Yes and the less money spent on asylum means more available to be spent on refugees.
So we dont know how many leave so.
I don't believe they publish figures, but they do publish figures for deportation orders issued, and deportations carried out if the person does not leave, so it could be calculated, I guess.
Also, asylum seekers who are successful are refugees.
Lovely, more spending of taxpayers money 😀
Today's paper, architect reckons 137K vacant houses around the country.
bit old, as last census was 2016.
Random website.
They don't have numbers on the site, but this is specifically to report vacant properties anywhere in the country. Presume they have figures.
Also, no need to house DP in Dublin, why would you want that? many small towns and villages around the country could do with an injection of people and life.
Your post made it sound like these houses were ready to move into.
They're not. And the cost of renovation is the problem. It's It's same problem why new homes are not getting built. Money, and planning.
There are plenty around the country! My hometown had properties vacant for years until they moved asylum seekers into them. It's great to see vacant eyesores being used.
With all due respect, where you're from ( border county mentioned in a thread a while back and Westmeath where I'm at) wouldn't be in the area that the housing is needed.
While there may be a need, the overwhelming majority would be in the large urban centres like Dublin and Cork
Where do you live? Does your area need an injection of people and life? Just wondering...
Oh yes, but for DP centres, they don't need to be in Dublin.
See my post above
I've not read every page on this thread.... however there does seem to be an overwhelming consensus that people here dont want multiculturalism.....
I'm british, tbh, I dont have a major problem with West Europeans coming to Britain. They share the same culture and Spanish and Germans etc just fit in..... East Europeans are also not too bad. However there seems too many of them....
However, people from Asia and Africa etc dont really share british culture and dont integrate......
Are you from an immigrant background?
So we don't have a housing crisis in the country?
Great addition to the country...
Plenty of more where he came from too.
Father of five.... it doesnt say where his kids are. However if he gets an irish passport he'll bring his kids over and then they'll bring spouses over....
All the while there is a housing crisis and the average dublin kid cant afford a house.
Lol, anybody I know if Asian or African ethnicity in the UK get on perfectly well.
And you ask a lot of questions about my private life, which is none of your business, but I will say I'm 100% Irish. How about you?
In London we have a lot of problems with teenagers getting killed. The media show photos of the murder victims and murderers, they are overwhelmingly of a migrant background.
People of an African background are about 5 times more likely to be in prison than white Brits....
Tbh, I think most indigenous Brits would admit that multiculturalism has been a disaster if you spoke to them in private.
As an irish person I dont understand why you want ireland to make the same mistakes that we did.
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