The wife suing so is the husband. Andrew McGinley wanting to go on the late late, Deirdre McGinleys family writing in to block it. All extremely confusing. 3 little ones savaged to death.
It's a strange world we live in.
There's a lot you don't know and a public forum is really not the place.
do we need a conversation as a country about all the women who kill their kids?
She was found Not Guilty by reason of insanity.
Now they want to find out if there was more that could have been done during her time under the care of the named parties.
It's entirely unremarkable.
Andrew has been through a horrific time. In saying that he has no issue in wanting to be appear on TV etc. Anything i have said above is all in the public arena and i feel we do have a right to discuss in a respectful manner.
The HSE are experts at getting sued. Nearly every week you hear a settlement of 10m+ being given against the HSE in the news.
Not judging this case in anyway, but if successful, would it be in danger of being used as a precedent by all that have come under some form of mental care.
I'd imagine, the word "Suing" is what is making some feel a little uncomfortable.
Reading this thread is really indicative if the type of absolute **** that uses this site. Jesus **** christ this man buried 3 kids and he's being judged by posters here
Thats what happens when we have a culture of no personal responsibility and always someone else to blame. Not saying that about this case.
Can any mentally ill person who has murdered now sue for lack of treatment etc? Or can the vicitims family sue the state?
Nobody is judging him? Can you point out where that is happening? Its an article in the media and has been widely discussed via the airwaves and TV. Everyone here has the utmost sympathy for Andrew McGinely. I do feel however we have every right to discuss the suing of our HSE.
Yep, murder three kids and blame someone else.
No amount of money will bring back those 3 precious kids
Not a comment on this particular case but i've long felt uneasy about the ethics of bringing cases of negligence against a state service which is provided free of charge. The vast majority of cases are based on naturally occurring events which while individually tragic, without the state medical service would be a lot more frequent.
Imo it is one of the most legitimate arguments for the whole system to be privatised, at least then if everyone was paying for the service they would have a right to expect a standard level of care.
On the other hand if most people believe that it is the responsibility of the state to provide a non negligent standard to every citizen and those who don't receive such are entitled to compensation then it is an entirely moot point.
At the end of the day if the state needs to borrow more to run the country it just gets added to the national debt, which as Leo said never gets repaid anyway, so why should anyone care? We should all just sue each other and live happily ever after, what's the downside?
if she’s fit to sue so quick then clearly she’s fit to bring to retrial… should be behind bars
Not sure if you're being sarcastic.... and mimicking the calls for action on violence against women, but I can assure you femicide is far more common here than infanticide.
Murders perpetrated by women are also very uncommon.
In short, I'm not entirely sure what you mean with this comment.
It's possible a solicitor contacted her touting and she's been talked into it.
Similar situation (I think) would be the Romanian guy in Tullamore recently. It's likely a solicitor contacted him suggesting we'd have a fruitful outcome here.
Put nothing past a solicitor, the clue is in their title. Soliciting
Not really. She isn't suing due to the fact she came under mental care. It only opens the door for people who recieve negligent care, and realistically that door was already open.
That said, it's a bold move. An enquiry fine, but suing due when you've committed a horrific act.
This point makes no sense really. There's no mental fitness required to sue. And current fitness doesn't open up retrial. She was found not guilty, rightly or wrongly, due to her insanity then. Getting it under control now won't change the past.
All i can gather from the article is that the HSE is being sued for incorrectly predicting the future
Mental health services aren't fit for purpose in this country. Too many wrong diagnosis been given out also. These psychiatrists need to be brought to task. They are just prescribing medication like smarties.
Some would say anyone who commits murder has mental issues of some sort.
I'm not saying release all murderers but for someone who commits murder the line is a bit blurry in terms of how sound of mind they are.
Deflecting from this thread topic, but what is free of charge?
It is paid for indirectly by the taxpayers.
None of it's staff are working pro bono.
This is not free of charge. This is paid for by the taxpayers, which Deirdre Morley and Andrew McGinley were and are. The HSE made incorrect judgements in her care which she herself sought and they have paid the ultimate price for it. Not to mention the alleged pressure she was under at her own work for the HSE which she also red flagged with her management.
Mental health services in Ireland are a long running joke, and medical negligence payouts from the HSE are weekly at this stage. It is a complete basket case of an organization. If they spent more money on care and specialists and less on admin staff, middle management and golden handshakes then they could save on malpractice cases. It's really as simple as that.
There is a difference between mad and bad.
Has anyone actually read the article?
They are suing to get the mental health service and its procedures reviewed and overhauled, and they give plenty of reason which will be relevant for anyone in the country who might be affected by mh issues.
As usual a large number of people are too emotional to actually discuss the article.
It was his criminal solicitor there and the gardai were horrendously incompetent / malicious in giving substantial information that clearly identified him and they made a very clear statement at the time that they were not looking for any other suspects.
In other words, the grossly incompetent gardai in Tullamore were saying that the innocent man was the murderer.
Based on eyewitness from people who were over 70metres away!!!!
You are speculating wildly there about the facts of this case. Time will tell if their allegations have merit. As is often the case in Ireland, people look for others to blame for their actions, what the Courts will have to decide is to what degree that blame applies.
It is very unusual that there would be a verdict of not guilty by reason of insanity when there was so much planning involved. Have a read though the article:
She tried to kill them on the Thursday with medication, the kids didn't eat the food with it. Then on the Friday she suffocated them at lunch time and wanted to have it all over by the time Andrew got home. It doesn't seem to fit the "no idea what she was doing" narrative.
McGinley wasn't any under impression that she was a risk to children at time but now you're extending the blame to him too? Eg my mental state has frequently been at a point where it would be that odd to check self into psychiatric care, I haven't but I could. Doesn't mean I shouldn't be around kids or pose a risk to anyone.... Do you think anyone who has been in psychiatric care should not be considered safe around children?
The issue is she sought treatment and didn't get the required care in spite of efforts.
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