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Do men need a license to be allowed socialise (MOD NOTE IN OP)

amacca

Just happened to catch a bit of Brendan O'Connors show this morning.....

They were discussing the murder of Aisling Murphy,

The floor was passed over to Sam McConkey to give an opinion, he mentioned you need to do at least 12 lessons to get a driving license and maybe before men are allowed out to socialise they should have to do a mandatory course and presumably pass it.....I mean ffs doesn't anyone see any issue with this kind of horseshit....not only does this nonsense not work it could actually make things worse imo...

Why isn't anyone focussing on the law and order aspect of this or demanding the powers that be work towards reducing public order problems/threatening intimidating behaviour etc....

I myself as a man have been on the receiving end of two unprovoked attacks, you read about people with previous public order convictions in the hundreds still seemingly free to roam around, isn't that part of the problem that nobody seems to want to mention....wouldn't that reduce the likelihood of tragedies like this happening?....why is it OK that the police are afraid to go into some areas etc....why is it OK to suggest "all" men should have to undergo a mandatory course to socialise.....I say "all" as no doubt if challenged on the nonsense one would get the placatory oh most men are lovely stock answer we just mean the bad ones ... at that point one would be nitpicking if you asked what the selection criteria for this course would be....

When will we do what we should do in this country and start applying timely and proper deterrants to criminality/thug behaviour so people can feel safer walking the streets rather than beating around the Bush with some nebulous notion of education programs and societal change.....I'm not saying culture can't change or that it shouldn't but I do think you'll always have scum and much higher levels of it regardless of what courses you bring in if the justice system doesn't face up to its responsibilities and actually campaigning for that to happen might go more towards a meaningful response to this horrific tragedy.

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[Deleted User]

"The funny thing we can decide our destiny but forces are decreeing that this be how we live our our lives and engage in public discourse even though we know its bad for us."

Not sure what point you're trying to make, but you sure you should be making it on a public forum? 🤔

Would you prefer if all decisions were made by a small few in back rooms?

tinytobe

I actually find it insulting as a man to suggest that men should need a license to be allowed to socialise.

But it's a free country, anybody can share their opinions and voices.

Mr.Crinklewood

Wait until the debate about a colour or black and white licence starts!

firemansam4

Ridiculous suggestion really from someone who is now starting to loose some of the limelight from all his zero covid nonsense.

Having said that, I do acknowledge their is problems in our society regarding abuse and violence towards women that need to be addressed, and maybe some sort of culture change is needed. Unfortunately I think a few people are using this tragic event to push some of their agendas, and they are coming out with some quite stupid comments.

BrianD3

This is so bad that previously I'd have assumed the OP was trolling/lying but barely anything is surprising anymore.

Race and gender are protected grounds in equality legislation

He should be nailed over this - somebody save the podcast before it "disappears". He'd be in serious trouble if he made that comment about Travellers or Muslims (also protected grounds)

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118483793#Comment_118483793

Have you any evidence that she was lying or are you just adding legs to that fact that there was not enough evidence to prove that they were guilty beyond a reasonable doubt?

AyeGer

I listened to the show, Allison o Connor asked Brendan for his opinion. Brendan gave an answer I wasn’t expecting from him. He basically said he and his friends treat women with respect already so wasn’t sure how to respond. I don’t think Allison liked his response. But Brendan’s response is the case for the majority of men in Ireland I’m sure, the issue is with the minority and work needs to be done there for sure. But how exactly is the question.

Sams idea is unlikely to gain much traction. It’s an insult to decent men out there. Although I’d forgive him as he is just trying to offer suggestions to a very difficult problem when the spotlight is being turned on men for answers.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118483914#Comment_118483914

Stop all this common sense talk. This is no place for that kind of filth

Atlantic Dawn

It's at times like this that male only golf clubs were a great idea to get away from it all.

completedit

The problem is that what is and isn't acceptable is too individual specific. Anything from the mood of the receptive person is in, the context, who the person is that is exhibiting the behaviour.

Think about it you're walking down a beach along the Amalfi coast and some genuinely good looking Italian guys say something like "ciao Bella" to a girl walking past, this is going to get a very different reaction(possibly) to some grubby construction worker outside Centra at half 8 on a drab morning in Ireland leering at same girl (or it might not but) there's no hard and fast rule what constitutes creepiness or male privilege or whatever other grievances the tragedy has caused people to air with 50 per cent of the male species.

I'm a little bit bitter due to childhood and trauma and bullying at the hands of girls so have always had a generally skeptical distorted view of women based off these experiences . I know it is stupid but in my childhood I was signalled out by these girls exclusively and it just stuck with me. The truth is there is horrible people on both ends of the gender divide but most people are good. I can see why people use events like this to justify their worldview but we need to contain our biases.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118483840#Comment_118483840

Who is going to call out the man haters?

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118483937#Comment_118483937

Any sane person would be horrified at that level of state over reach

growleaves

When it became known that a woman had been murdered but not by who or in what circumstances, there were immediate calls for "new legislation".

On the surface of things it makes no sense.

People were being murdered in the 13th century so why is this "new legislation" only arriving in 2022?

What's proposed is an increase in bureaucratic control over movement, behaviour and more digital surveillance.

Funny how a pandemic, climate variance and lethal violence all lead to the same solution - the deletion of personal freedom.

Also why is Sam McConkey now everywhere, for instance he was involved in a Presbyterian church controversy and now he comments on criminal justice issues. I thought virologists were medical micro-specialists.

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484116#Comment_118484116

Is he not supposed to be a respected academic though?

I mean really, is this the best he could come up with? It's moronic....as is the idea that anything like that would deter/prevent/reduce the likelihood of such tragedies happening in future

I'm just bemused as to how that's the kind of drivel being talked about/entertained rather than a serious debate about public order offences and actually deterring the yob/thug behavior that one would think is linked...you know actually punish people that carry out unprovoked assaults etc etc

I just don't see the kind of people that do that changing one iota because of an education program etc.....the kind of cultural change I think is necessary is culture clearly demonstrates that those kind of offences will be met with timely consequences you really won't like.

Pawwed Rig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484116#Comment_118484116

Unless these guys can be identified at a young age and 'worked on' by professionals then we are looking at prison sentencing. An assault that doesn't result in death is not considered as very serious by the judiciary here and will rarely see a sentence of 2 figures (Kevin Lunney case being a notable exception). Therefore violent people with many convictions are allowed walk amongst us and do as they please. Not to even mention the decrepit state of our mental health services

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484147#Comment_118484147

Girls are unbelievably cruel to this day both to other girls and to men. The #bekind mob on Twitter are borderline psychotic to anyone who isn’t 100% on board with them, and will eat their own at the drop of a hat if there’s any dissenting.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118483770#Comment_118483770

I'm noticing exactly the same around these boards this last few days.

While the comments in question are way off base and hardly representative, why exactly are men feeling threathend when women articulate their concerns ?

Why the backlash from some men ?

What the hell is triggering you ?

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484170#Comment_118484170

Well listening to national radio these 2 mornings it’s not hard to conclude that for some, a tragic brutal death has provided the perfect opportunity at long last for a purge on men.

FintanMcluskey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118483940#Comment_118483940

His profession, and those with similar ideas, more or less suggested the best course for how you live your life, and what's safe for you to do, for almost 2 years now. That's for another discussion.

It's not just trolls saying this stuff, lots of intelligent women are being influenced by the argument that all men are responsible for all women feeling unsafe.

Ironically, the most chauvinistic, crude and immature men are by far the most successful with the opposite sex.

That's something I've observed over the past few decades socialising, and I've thought it very ironic during recent messaging about men needing to call out other men.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484116#Comment_118484116

Her question was monumentally stupid

Asking him " as a member of the male species " to know the minds of all men as if we were the borg

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484207#Comment_118484207

Seems a safe assumption:

The population of the State grew at 0.8 per cent per annum while those with Irish ethnicity increased by just 0.2 per cent. The fastest growing ethnic group since 2011 was “Other incl. mixed background”, with an annualised growth of 14.7 per cent. “Any other White background” rose by 1.6 per cent annually while Africans decreased 0.3 per cent per annum.

The largest group in 2016 was “White Irish” with 3,854,226 (82.2%) usual residents. This was followed by “Any other White background” (9.5%), non-Chinese Asian (1.7%) and “Other incl. mixed background” (1.5%).

Irish Travellers (30,987) made up 0.7 per cent of the usually resident population while Chinese (19,447) made up just 0.4 per cent.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp8iter/p8iter/p8e/

People who spread this toxic white masculine ideology are white IME.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118483834#Comment_118483834

I find that one of the less crazy solutions considering that pornography was banned in this country only a few decades ago.

The Russian government polices it rather heavily.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484116#Comment_118484116

Sams main problem today is that the covid crisis is coming swiftly to its inevitable conclusion and it’s likely that Sam might fade back into the obscurity where he belongs, denying him the media attention he so clearly craves.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484230#Comment_118484230

What toxic white masculine ideology?

We're discussing whether men should need a licence to leave their house.

I assume no normal person supports that, just media clickbait provocateurs who want to accumulate page views.

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484066#Comment_118484066

How are you able to tell on a message board like this if the poster is white or not?

As for the topic under discussion McConkey rightly deserves to be called out for saying crap like that.

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484230#Comment_118484230

I am curious .... do I number among those spreading the "toxic white masculine ideology" as the OP?

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118483793#Comment_118483793

On the Paddy Jackson thing

then it turned out she was lying?

It was never proved she was lying, whether she was lying or not was never being questioned.

All that happened was that the prosecution did not prove their case.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484261#Comment_118484261

You've taken a ridiculous remark you heard on the radio and decided that it now represents reality. The only reason I can see for this is to push a victimhood ideology. A member of the House of Lords, Jenny Jones said that men shouldn't be allowed to leave their houses after dark. This never came to pass because it was a ridiculous remark.

SunnySundays

I think it's absolutely horrible and disrespectful that this poor lady's death has been hijacked to the extent it has been to serve other purposes and agendas.

Yes, it's absolutely shocking and frightening what happened to her and very upsetting for her family and friends and everyone in the country is upset that something like this happened. It's very upsetting.

However, the actions of one man or the actions of the men who do attack women, are not an excuse to vilify all men.

Yes, women are often frightened knowing that if someone decides to attack or rape them, that due to physical strenght alone, they is little chance of them fending off their attacker. Yes, nearly all women have put up abuse, groping all sorts but from a minority not the majority of men.

All the publicity and campaigning in the world won't convince an abuser or rapist not to do so. The majority of men don't need to be told, they know it's wrong and would never do such things. Most men cross the road if walking behind a woman at night, most men will offer to walk them home, to a taxi rank, ensure the women in their lives are safe.

It's insulting to say men don't get it, they do.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484212#Comment_118484212

The call for legislation which will heavily police all men's movements, actions and curtail their personal freedom is what is threatening.

How a single unsolved murder can justify that is anyone's guess.

Murder is a shocking crime and we could just as easily be debating bringing back capital punishment but we aren't, we are debating should ordinary men be constrained in their daily lives.

I don't want to be constrained in my daily life, and it involves me if people are talking doing so. It isn't just something for other people to articulate and think out loud about.