Anyone know what is his medical exception?
He may offload admin tasks, but he remains responsible for their accuracy. He signs the declaration.
Maybe he did. I'd still classify forging a document to say i had a disease that has killed millions of people worldwide and changed millions more lives unimaginably, just so i could play in a tennis tournament as scumbag behaviour though.
yes you're correct
I'm not disputing that in the slightest
but the point about no motivation to lie and substantivenss still is valid imo
Serbia should declare war on Australia and invade next winter. This decision cannot be accepted.
but there is no proof (and actually no allegations from anyone like the Australian government) that he forged anything about his Covid Test which he used to obtain the exemption for the reason of "recent Covid"
The Australian immigration minister Hawke yesterday conceded that Djokovic actually had a valid medical exemption when he arrived last week
In a radical reframing of the case against the Serbian tennis star, Immigration Minister Alex Hawke concedes the unvaccinated Djokovic entered Australia with a valid medical exemption and poses a low risk of contracting the virus while in Australia and passing it on to others due to his recent infection.
Which considering that last week that was the very reason what they stopped him at the airport and cancelled his visa is a complete about turn / moving the goalposts on their part
"World number one men's tennis player Novak Djokovic failed to provide sufficient proof to receive a medical exemption to enter Australia, prime minister Scott Morrison has confirmed."
Djokovic has $2,875,000 reasons to lie. People have murdered other people for far less, let alone told porkies.
providing link to other post again but also a quick summary ->
if declared (prior 14 day travel) on form it would not have prevented entry for Djokovic so there is no actual motivation to lie on that aspect
also not considered substantive enough to be addressed in government's submissions and by informed commentators
https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118479514/#Comment_118479514
Wise up. I will never do something so ludicrous as coughing into my elbow. What an idiotic thing to do, and looks stupid too.
They let those Chinese chancers with the dried chicken feet and pickled worms enter the country after they've confiscated their stash of rotten "food" and fined them for lying about bringing in food.
The important word in my post was the first one.
Winter in Serbia or Winter in Australia?
That would be fun, they'd soon learn the Australian armed forces aren't like the Dutch.
If he had COVID in December then he is low risk to infecting anyone. Is the timing of him getting COVID suspiciously beneficial to him getting a medical exemption to play the Australian Open? Damn right it is but if the pcr test documentation is in order what can be done?
They have him on the travel declaration though so if they want they can send him packing. Judging by polls and public opinion in the last few days most Australians want him gone so I think thats what will happen.
oh dear
You're oversimplifying it. All these ethnic groups coexisted happily in Yugoslavia. They had their differences and the country was a bit of a tapestry but they weren't at each other's throats. You have ethnic differences in a lot of countries. In The Netherlands, Hollanders, Frieslanders and Lumburgers are always taking the piss out of each other and some plain hate each other. You have similar splits in Belgium and Germany and Baltic states. The whole Balkan War was stoked up from outside to smash to piece a natural Russian ally that was Yugoslavia. Read some books by the likes of Misha Gleny etc., for a deeper understanding rather than the stuff you get in the tabloids.
Didn't your man apply for, and receive, some special exemption.
Do you know what the conditions for that exemption were? It would be assumed that there were some additional conditions that would not apply to regular visitors in the regular previous non-Covid world.
One would suspect that some restrictions on his movements and travelling would form part of those special conditions that came along with the already preferential treatment afforded to him.
no you're just making that up
the medical exemption, which 3 other people also got in respect of the Australian Open (and they were let in no problem to Australia using it) was about an exemption to vaccination
As yesterday the Australian immigration minister Hawke himself conceded that Djokovic did in fact have a valid medical exemption that would fairly effectively cover that off (despite the fact that Australia last week cancelled his visa claiming that he did not have proof for this exemption but now they are arguing different reasons)
you should take a look at this to get a better idea
This thread is supposed to be about Djocovic, not an imaginary armed conflict between Serbia and Australia. Referencing the UN's roll in the Balkans war is a bit too far removed from the original thread don't u think?
What am I making up?
The man received, or availed of, an exemption. I asked you whether you knew if there were any conditions attached to same.
From your response, we can assume that the answer is "no". You don't know.
Others and Djokovic were granted a medical exemption on the basis of proof provided against the criteria
The Australian Government admitted yesterday that Djokovic had a valid medical exemption on arrival to Australia even though claimed lack of proof for same was their reason for cancelling the visa on arrival last week
The exemption is provided on the basis of providing historical proof, which he did. The exemption was granted.
Trying to construct a fantasy narrative about never-before mentioned anywhere ever possible conditions about future actions in addition to the historical proof required is utterly pointless
I think the only fantasy here is whatever obsession is in your own head.
There are always conditions attached to any form or border crossing. A common one being that you do not give false information.
shockingly the finest legal minds working for the government or the minister have never brought up these future conditions on the exemption given on historical criteria in their argumentation and neither has any news outlet
I'm taking that as a given that a) because they don't exist or b) if they do it's completely not relevant but I'd put my money on a)
Djokovic was awarded the medical exemption because he provided proof of a recent covid infection
the only possible future exclusion to this would be if he went back in time and didn't get Covid.
You haven't traveled much or experienced the world if you think that there would be absolutely no requirements.
I think I might move to Australia. I won't bother with a visa. Australian citizens don't need a visa to live there. Even though, based on your own legal advice, I now expect there to be no requirements or conditions at the border, just in case they ask, I'll have a note from me ma saying I am an Australian citizen and sure they'll let me in 😉
One might hypothetically have imagined that one possible condition to avail of such a medical exemption would be to have legitimate proof of same. But as per Glasso immigration advice, he wouldn't even need that .... or a note from his ma
What is not disputed is that there were lies on his immigration form.
you're conflating and mixing things up.
it's a medical exemption, it's not a visa.
maybe that is the source of the confusion here.
I'd consider myself well travelled but that has nothing to do with anything except your insinuation that I haven't.
Total and utter and breathtaking bullshyt.
Having a visa would not over-ride other immigration responsibilities. Which include the requirements to be vaccinated or have a medical exemption. Australia is a sovereign country and can decide its own rules however it sees fit.
Additionally, one might reasonably suspect that, if it were found that an individual who happens to be very famous, submitted paperwork for an exemption that he was suffering from a highly contagious disease on day X, yet his social media was plastered with photos of that same person flying around the world and attending loads of different events, that it might arouse some suspicions that maybe the paperwork wasn't actually accurate and warranted further investigation.
as said 3 other people got into Australia ahead of Djokovic no problem using the same exemption. more people applied also.
while Djokovic was in the air on his last leg to Australia the actual prime minister of Australia described very clearly how the exemptions work (and basically how they worked in the case of the people who got in ahead of him)
Asked whether the world No. 1 had received an exemption, Mr Morrison said on January 5: “Well, that is a matter for the Victorian government. They have provided him with an exemption to come to Australia, and so we then act in accordance with that decision … That’s how it works. States provide exemptions for people to enter on those bases.”
So he very clearly outlined this.
Then Djokovic arrives and the Australian government (due to some media chat about Djokovic coming over on the exemption) decides to exempt the exemption in his case
They (government) stopped him on the basis that he didn't have enough proof for his exemption and cancelled his visa and kicked all this off
there was nothing about the Serbia social media stuff at that time - that came much later so at the point in time the government went out to get him for political gain it's not in the picture
Now the government have conceded that he HAD a valid medical exemption on arrival but are using a law 113(c) that is a law that denies natural justice - so unlikely to be overcome. basically it's a "I said so and there is no comeback" type law
Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm the same with all forms of social etiquette, actually.......i love slamming doors in people's faces, I mean standing there holding the door like a spanner, who'd do something so ludicrous and idiotic. Looks stupid too.
People trying to defend Djokovic and who believe he's on the level, take a second to consider this.
Previous infection isn't grounds for a vaccine exemption. Hundreds of millions of people have had Covid and vaccines. Unless there's something else in his medical history, Djokovic has no grounds for a vaccine exemption.
However, you cannot get a vaccine for four weeks after you test positive for Covid.
Testing positive on 16th December allowed Djokovic to say he couldn't be vaccinated ahead of the tournament. A week earlier, he couldn't have claimed that. A week later and he'd be arriving into Australia a day or two before the tournament, plus it would be obvious he had no intention of being vaxxed.
So not only did he contract Covid at a convenient time, he did so at THE MOST convenient time possible.
I mean, it's fishy at best.
yeah, he lied to the immigration authorities and got caught out later on, the authorities being suspicious before hand hence the original detention.
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