It's all falling apart alarmingly fast for Boris Johnson across the water. How long you reckon he has left as British Prime Minister? Hours surely?
How many parties are they talking about now? I've lost count.
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Truss is very good with people, Sunak has a weak spot one in one or working a room by all accounts.
When I see the serious consequences of "Golfgate" here in 2020, resulting in an EU Commissioner reigning and now a prosecution in the courts, it seems to me that we have rather more rigorous standards than the UK. Who'd have thunk?
Fintan O'Toole had a piece in the IT last week about Irish politics being less corrupt than Britain's. He was mostly talking about cronyism in awarding Covid/PPE contracts, but basically a similar point.
The real question is have they got worse, or have we got better? Personally I think it's a bit of both.
I wonder will the Queen get an invite to Boris's leaving drinks.
Liz is popular with the party. All she has to do is survive the drop the hindmost rounds in the MP's votes. And 25% is more than the next 4 hopefuls combined.
But ..
Conservative Home poll. With more choices to spread the votes.
"Penny Mordaunt got nine per cent and Steve Baker eight per cent" even so both front runners are ahead. But as anyone who watches an Irish election knows it's all about the transfers.
Yeah that poll showing Truss in the lead is a bit of a head scratcher but she does seem to have popularity among the grassroots. There was another poll on Sunday by Sky News among 1,005 party members who thought Sunak is Boris best replacement so its a bit up in the air.
I need to change the batteries in my meter.
I was hoping my second sentence would give away that I was being sarcastic 😬
The EU have accepted the result. It's the Brits that are having trouble with it, both "leavers" and "remainers".
Whatever it is I'm sure it's the EU's fault and that they should just accept the Brexit referendum result.
Or something like that.
Explain how remainers aren't accepting the referendum? And how that relates to Liz Truss talking to the EU?
Why is Liz Truss still talking to the EU?
In the poll of party members Patel has a -1.5 rating. While Truss is way out in front in that poll, another poll asking the general public how they would vote if different people led the Conservative - having Truss as leader would give Labour a 16-point lead. Which was even worse than Johnson who would give Labour 12-points advantage. Rishi Sunak would have the most positive effect, cutting the lead to just three points.
This is it. It's just divisive bollocks. Same with those who dismiss people as being 'woke', 'virtue signaling' etc.
Because they treat people with contempt themselves.
Always gotta be "us" vs "them" for some people.. no one wins with this nonsense - it's how you end up with someone like Boris in the first place. How the actual fuk can anyone stand behind such an entitled lying immoral gobshyte like him?
How can any UK resident defend someone who treats the people with such contempt? Over and over and people just seem to lap it up. Amazing really.
It's only yourself that keeps bringing up a referendum from over half a decade ago. The rest of us have moved on.
For some reason Patel is 25/1? I would have thought it was obvious given her horrendous personality and psychopathic lack of empathy.
I think the "remainers" are not refusing to accept the result. They may refuse to accept the economic, social and other fallouts from it though.
Even the use of terms such as "leavers" and "remainers" (or "remoaners") shows that the entire argument is simply playground politics and is not getting the proper mature discussion required.
Bookies have Sunak as the favourite to be the next PM at 7/4, Truss on 10/3, Gove 14/1 and for some reason Patel is way out on 25/1. There is not really much value in Sunak there even though Id say he would likely beat Truss. Who knows though, there was a recent opinion poll of party members and Truss was the most popular with the grass roots.
What we're seeing here isn't a condemnation of Boris Johnson, it's just Remainers who refuse to accept the result of the referendum.
And yes, that means denying that Brexit has ever happened.
Yet again we're seeing the fall of someone, not because of the crime but because of the cover-up. It never ceases to amaze me just how often this happens.
It's fascinating.
Then why is Liz Truss tasked with chatting to the EU still?
This is where Johnson has an issue. Brexit is done in a technical sense, but nobody is happy with it. Yes they are out, but they are still under all sort of rules and obligations and now have split off part of the union (in some peoples eyes).
Does Johnson really want to be known as the person that got Brexit done, when everybody, including himself, hates it?
Is Johnson done? His authority and any semblance of respect is gone. He is now totally beholden to the likes of Truss, Patel etc to prop him up. He knows as well as anyone that he cannot count of that support and that his time is now in the hands of others. Much the same way as he treated TM funnily enough.
Brexit is complete. The UK is objectively outside the EU and this is all Brexit can be defined as. People might want to leave it buried but it will come back as a topic and in the not too distant future.
Except for the government itself. They never stop talking about it and are working hard to try to reopen it.
What is clear is that the pubic want it done, the government said it was done, but the government know that the Brexit they delivered it a disaster and so they need to reopen it.
The blinkers do suit you, it must be said.
Brexit is not complete but it is not a topic that people want to reopen, it's considered settled in that regard.
Wow, we are down to quote mining? Really?
So you accept that he got Brexit done really badly, that he made a mess of it. Hardly the argument you think you are making.
Nobody, not Johnson, not the government, not the media, not the public at large, think Brexit is done. The fact they have to keep repeating it shows it to be the case. If it was really done, they wouldn't have to continually tell everyone that it is done, despite all the evidence
He got Brexit done.
That's all I argued - thanks.
The Labour party itself certainly wants power. It's MP's want to govern and those who still vote for it absolutely want the Tories out.
The issue is the activists and ideological purists who'll stay at home rather than vote for someone they deem imperfect (or heretical). You can tweet, wail and campaign all you want but the only poll that matters is the one in a booth.
It's a recurring trope throughout electoral history that nobody destroys the left better than the left itself. I f*cking despise Owen Jones, the Corbynistas and the rest of the champagne socialists with a passion but I still voted in 2019. That's where the difference is.
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