If my auntie had balls..
Our government have had us worse in the world for Covid on two occasions. You may as well re-run the SF would have the IMF in 😎
Boris, Clifden, Coveney's party, is there any difference?
TBF, anyone who thinks the BA assisting terrorists in shooting and blowing people up, internment, torture, shooting civilians dead. Fighting to deny accountability... is just a 'few individuals stepping over the line', Shouldn't be taken seriously.
No one 'has' to do anything. John Hume didn't attack crown forces... most nationalists didn't attack crown forces and certainly, most nationalists didn't plant bombs in civilian areas which was a war crime.
The old, 'Ah sure they had no choice' doesn't cut the mustard.
more would have died and our economy would be worse if we had followed Sinn Féin’s approach.
it has been difficult for them, opposing what our government does while also opposing what Boris does, even when it is the opposite. Speaking out of both sides of their mouth isn’t sufficient for Sinn Fein.
Speaking on Northern Ireland and going across the globe to list state sponsored murder, but not mentioning the BA.
Classic.
The BA assisting terrorists in shooting and blowing people up, internment, torture, shooting civilians dead. Fighting to deny accountability...a 'few individuals stepping over the line'? Wilful ignorance or just plain hate? Rabid sectarian apologisim.
This is where we differ, then - and where I suspect your positions differs from many who have a less hostile attitude towards Republican violence specifically against state aligned actors in Northern Ireland. You say "where a policy is introduced to the effect that the purpose and duty of the internal security forces is to kill civilians rather than protect civilians". I draw the line a lot earlier than this, and that is any situation in which the security forces are authorised in any way, shape, or form, to use literally any level of violence whatsoever in order to suppress democratic political opposition. In any form. Whatsoever. Nobody has to get killed in my view in order to justify violent rebellion, a resistance movement against an illegitimate government must simply be met with physical violence when they attempt to peacefully agitate. This is precisely what happened in the infamous NICRA march I keep referring to.
Your next point is crucial: "[individuals stepping over the line] should be addressed through the justice system". The problem is that I, and I suspect most Republicans, absolutely do not believe even for a single moment that the justice system in Northern Ireland at the time was any less compromised. Furthermore, I certainly do not believe that the banning of and subsequent attacks on the protest marches were the actions of "a few bad apples" - I fundamentally believe that the security forces were ordered to behave in this manner by their political masters, against whom, after all, the protests were largely being mounted.
If that isn't a perfect example of outright fascism, I honestly don't know what is. Perhaps you disagree as to how high up it went, but then again fundamentally we differ in our views on the legitimacy of the Northern Irish government itself at the time - any government which maintains power through gerrymandering, limiting access to the electoral register using discriminatory criteria, etc, is fundamentally an illegitimate government that deserves to be overthrown. In an ideal world this would be accomplished through peaceful means, but as above, the minute the security forces turned on the protesters - with the full backing of the government - that became impossible. And it's the government's fault that it escalated, not the protesters' or the subsequent paramilitaries.
On your final point, watch the video yourself. The protesters were blocked in their attempts to protest by a police barricade, against almost certainly on the orders of a government who wanted the movement suppressed. In what universe is a state or statelet which doesn't tolerate legitimate political opposition, and deploys the use of force to prevent it from taking hold as a political force, not to be considered a rogue, fascist, illegitimate regime? It beggars belief that anyone could possibly view the pre-GFA government of Northern Ireland as anything other than a fascist one. And it certainly beggars belief that anyone could side with a fascist regime over those attempting to overthrow its existence.
Nah, MLMD wanted those open to remain so. Over a year ago this was.
Well, they wanted the pubs opened quicker, or was that just up North, when they wanted them closed down here.
Did he outline how?
I see Jonathan ‘I’m in the RA’ Dowdall, former SF councillor and constituency colleague of Mary Lou McDonald is appealing against the decision to have him tried in front of the SCC for his part in the murder at the Regency Hotel. At least he isn’t complaining about being a prisoner of war I suppose.
Imagine if you had brought your fighter jet over from America to support the struggle, sure you would have had the Brits gone within the week.
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So you think all the tough decisions will be behind us by then, all the problems fixed? Or do you think they will be able to solve everything in a way that pleases everyone?
Your faith in these politicians is really touching.
Oh wait, you're the guy who worked for 27 years as an 'intercept pilot' in the US, while telling us in another thread you lived in Dublin all your life. Keep up the good work!
I'm quite sure they will be in the seats of government too but doing the opposite.
Don't worry, I'm quite sure that SF will be ruining lives from the seats of government in the next 10 years.
Looks very similar. Take away the razzmatazz of the Trumpian rallies and you end up with something similar to what Mary-Lou was doing, raise a mob to demand Sinn Fein are in government.
I remember the FG leader trying that on. Suggesting MLMD was going around using bullying tactics with the shinner rallies. Then he held his own of course. Gas man.
This is far from the Trump style stolen election rallies which you were describing.
AH there we go
Yes. It was a response to that post, (I already responded to) by mistake, so I left it blank as I couldn't delete.
I supported the right of the Irish people to fight against the occupation of Ireland in both 1920 and 1970, anyone in those organisations who deliberately killed any innocent people I have no respect for.
You said you have no respect for anyone who targetted innocent people, so in what way were those listed by me not targetted by the PIRA.
That doesn't make any sense, all groups engaged in conflict have killed innocent people, that does not mean we should stop supporting them as soon as a single member of any group that is engaged in conflict kills an innocent person.
If the majority of people the IRA killed were innocent people then you may have a point but they weren't.
Well then, you and I share a complete disregard for the PIRA who on many many occasions deliberately targeted innocent people, including those such as Austin Stack, Jerry McCabe, Gda Fallon, Jean McConville, Paul Quinn, and many many others.
Not to my recollection?
Yeah, but the problem is nobody is clear whether they would have pursued a zero Covd strategy like Australia and destroyed our economy which depends on links with the world or whether they would have pursued the Swedish model and killed twice as many citizens. Saying you would have done something different when this government has actually managed brilliantly the tightrope between keeping Covid at bay and maintaining people's mental, physical and economic wellbeing is really stupid unless you can explain what that is.
I Cullinane was in the papers yesterday saying if SF where in government they would have prepared for the pandemic differently.. Did SF not hold trump style "the election was stolen" rallies all over the country in the days prior to lockdown back in early 2020 ?
When did I say anything like that? I claimed bravery on behalf of the Irish people who attacked the occupying forces which the majority of people the IRA killed were.
I have no respect for anyone who deliberately targeted innocent people whether that be people in the IRA in the 1920s or the 1970s.
Hey, what happened this post. It was flagged as quoting me, then it disappeared. Very strange, is this something about the new boards?
Comedy gold, if it wasn't such a serious issue. Yeah, killing innocent people was brave and unselfish.
You have an opinion about my motivations. You will excuse me if I take that with a mountain of salt as you know nothing about me. That opinion is worth as much as, say nothing.
So you admit that you used the Tuam babies and the Ballymurphy massacre as nothing more than to throw dirt at another poster. How low can you stoop?
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