Hi all. Does anybody know what is being built next to Applegreen in Clonsilla?, also any idea what’s going in the building between the Chemist and Romayo’s?, seems like there is work going on
I believe that the main motivation for the one way system was to avoid the delays of people turning right onto Clonsilla Road, but, the turning circle you suggest would help things.
A turning circle at the level crossing provides the same function, just sending them back up the opposite side of the road to the Clonsilla Road junction.
Back in late 2013 there was a lot of opposition to the proposed closure of the Porterstown level crossing (it was two step process - remove the right of way, which the councillors could stop, and then closing the level crossing). It was seen as a 'test case' before DART+ West. You are right that the objections evaporated.
In the public meeting, held in St Mochta's school, the PTA outlined their plan for a one way drop-off system where parents would come from Clonsilla Road, drop off in school, and then turn left and go across the level crossing. Obviously a closure would scupper those plans.
There is very, very little through traffic along that road, it doesn't really go anywhere that isn't much better served by other roads (its closure attracted no objections in the Dart process). All the proposed developments absolutely will mean more traffic going past the school.
But to be honest, it's a reasonable trade-off if we can get more housing units built.
The issues raised re the new developments was traffic on the Porterstown Road and St. Mochta's school. I was just making the point that the traffic issues are balanced by the closure of the level crossing reducing traffic versus the new developments increasing traffic.
We need to build alongside the Maynooth line for sustainable development reasons.
'What' all you like Blanch but what's the alternative for traffic?
Where will the through traffic go when the Clonsilla station crossing is closed. My guess is down to the next crossing point which is the "new" bridge over the track. This would not, in my opinion, reduce the traffic in the immediate area.
What?
When through traffic is eliminated, there will only be those accessing the developments. The closure of the crossing reduces the traffic, making the developments sustainable from a traffic point of view.
Build to rent? or housing for gurriers?
This is ridiculous! The Porterstown Road will be closed off soon at the level crossing when the Dart + comes on stream and there are two other developments on the cards on the site of Keane’s Cottage and the area surrounding the old Schoolhouse. It’ll be bedlam and incredibly dangerous for the schoolkids.
Ah, I'm wrong, you're right. The 'before' has trees and a Leeds United poster and this made it look quite different from the 'after'.
at about 25s in, you can see the before and after does not seem to affect the pub?
Interesting to note, that the proposed new junction to enter and exit the development will be opposite the set down area of St Mochta’s National School, on the Porterstown Road.
Here's clickable link: New 170-unit residential development proposed for Clonsilla, Dublin 15
I didn't realise that the Clonsilla Inn would be demolished as part of this development.
https://youtu.be/-R8GAD1Wt08?si=kZhVsUn4Kh6c5kdq
Thanks. I didn't know it went to ABP (not surprised though)
Permission granted last December.
Any update on the Clonsilla Aldi?
Great news. Plenty of shops in the area.
People sent in really good submissions as to why this development is not appropriate.
As Roderic O Gorman TD said 'The Fingal Dev Plan 2017-2023 contains an objective setting out a height restriction of 3 storeys for buildings in clonsilla village. This development contains x2 4 storey apartment blocks which goes against this objective'
It is funny to see how careless Aldi was, they did not even bother to read the local area plan/dev plan as their proposal went against those plans. Very embarassing considering that was a second application. If Aldi cant be bothered to read the local objectives then i have to question why do they want to build a store in the area. All they see is a piece of land to make money from while disregarding the local area and the objectives for the area and its surroundings.
Hopefully Aldi can move on as there is plenty of land available in dublin. but i would not be surprised if they go to abp. Aldi is desparate and it seems like abp give permission for everything nowadays.
Hmmph. I think having an Aldi and some commercial units with a lot of parking would have been nice. Noone is ever going to touch Clonsilla village and the parking situation is dire.
Aldi planning permission rejected, no surprises there.
https://planning.agileapplications.ie/fingal/application-details/91200
Sorry I meant those ones beside st mochtas (how many floors are they?) and the ones beside st pats. The point being they are putting them everywhere regardless if theres nothing similar around it. Castleknock Inn same.
New Lidl and Aldi Aesthetic fits in well. Monolithic bunkers.
Where is the center of Clonsilla Village and what Historical Character is there in that location.
Those apartments in riverwood are not new and fit in with the area quite well. The only new apartments i know about are the ones going on the other side of the bridge beside the st mochtas pitches.
That historic comment was for clonsilla village as a whole not just that site. A modern apartment block with an off license looks out of place.
And yes i know many apt blocks have been submitted and some have fortunately failed to gain permission but its up to the council to approve or not. Developers dont care if an estate is mature or not all they see is a piece of land that an apt block can be built upon.
Same on the carpenterstown road, apts approved by abp after objections from cllrs and locals. New-ish estates opposite so no reason not to continue that trend for the overall aesthetic of the area but i guess cramming as many people into an apt block is what developers want.
Let's hope that applegreen devlopment looks somewhat nice..
I don't get the historic character comment.
The site beside Applegreen has been derelict for a long time. Nothing to save around it bar apartments behind and housing estate beside it.
Lots of recent apartments and the ones in Riverwood are beside and overlook houses or schools. They are building them everywhere or planning to.
No offence but. What historic character? It's featureless.
When i said that houses will get the best use out of the land i was talking about that applegreen development only. i can't find any information regarding bedrooms but if these are 1/2 bedroom apts it would make more sense to build 3/4 bedroom houses just like weaver wood estate behind the site.
Just reading what one cllr had to say and she stated that the applegreen development goes against a certain objective for clonsilla – 'Goes against the spirit of Protecting the historic character of Clonsilla Village by conserving old houses and cottages and only permitting sensitive development.' but yet it was still granted and also was given permission to include an off license as well.
in my opinion apts have a suitable location and dont. clonsilla village is not a suitable location. Yes that riverwood development also has apts but its on the other side of the bridge and is away from houses so its okay.
It's also important for fingal to take into account the possibility of the closure of several level crossings when deciding on the aldi development. many people will be going to aldi in clonsilla instead of aldi mulhuddart/blanch.
They are only getting started. Look at the recent apartments under construction in Riverwood. Lots of planning applications for similar in the area. That's the future.
Houses do not get the "best out of the land" even if we prefer them.
Be careful what you wish for. Solution to shopping hell is not build another one closer.
Clonsilla used to be a village. Now it's just a sprawling incoherent mess of ad hoc building. They should have planned a community focal point around a retail centre. They should also have tied it into the canal amenity and thus the greenway. No vision.
That 3 storey apartment block beside applegreen seems to be getting a cafe/coffee shop.
