Strange logic given the guys who are getting the money were so resistant to it
And yet consumption was dropping year on year and was down 1/3rd from the 2000s. Thank God for MUP.
You clearly supported hitting people in the pocket.
Own it.
As a tool by which to address undesirable societal impacts?
No problem taking ownership of that in the least.
But the recovered problem drinkers I've heard comment on MUP say it won't address that. Biggest impact will be on their (and their households) food consumption, their landlords rent payments etc. Zero impact on their drinking.
Good man.
So you are saying to the pensioner drinking a can per night who is having his €5 raise taken away by MUP "take one for the team old guy".
Would people really be content if an excise increase was applied?
I think even more people would be up in arms.
I'm not in any way defending MUP - it just doesn't make sense to me - but the argument, "it should have been a tax" isn't a genuine one unless you want alcohol prices to increase, imo. Be careful what you wish for.
From where I see it, Ireland has one of the highest duty rates in the EU, already and has falling consumption rates. I don't see a need for higher prices.
I think we need a cultural shift where drunkenness isn't socially acceptable and normalised. A society where, routinely, drinking 8 pints or more is not considered moderate or reasonable drinking. A society where grown adults don't boast about how much they drank and the idiotic things they did. A society where an ability to consume vast amounts of alcohol isn't awarded with a badge of honour and near mythical status. Paddy Pintman etc.
I think most Irish people actually drink in moderation and that number is growing but we need to stop celebrating alcoholism. We should help people struggling to control their intake, not encourage them. Much more help and education.
Whoa, that turned into a rant!
Who get the difference in price?
Quality hasn't gone up, production cost haven't increased, so who keeps the profit?
Whoever along the chain is the strongest I'd say.
So the supermarket in the case of supermarket sales - the brewer/distributor for independent off-license sales - and a bit of both in the case of the bigger off-licenses with multiple outlets.
The drinks trade.
Government gets the VAT but for the most part that extra VAT would have come from the money being spent on other goods anyway.
Government get the vat.
But mostly the retailers and drinks suppliers.
Going back to pre MUP prices in Ireland: It was still cheap though. Just because it was cheaper elsewhere doesn’t negate that at all.
The MUP is not well designed but a lot of posters seem to have a really warped idea of how much alcohol should cost, imo. I don’t think we were that badly off before this.
Agreed and MUP doesn't put one extra euro into treatment and education.
customer is paying for it and and the fact that the country is up in arms about it seems to show I am correct
pandemic where we cannot even stand close to anyone...
Gov introduce gates which need to be opened by hand to drinks aisle - CLOWNS
closes pubs for public safety so ppl stuck having a few at home, so lets introduce MUP - MUPPETS
Is the country up in arms about it? I haven't heard of any marches being held anywhere
This has been on the cards for years and there was barely a peep
As I've said before, for the vast majority this is a non-issue as evidenced by the lack of protest
Lack of people taking to the streets in the middle of a covid wave is really being used to say people aren't annoyed? I guess that's AAI logic summed up.
Well it breezed through the various stages before being voted on in the Dail where it was easily passed.
Obviously not too many folks bending the ears of the TD's to vote against it.
It's also been on the cards since 2013 so plenty of time to organise opposition. It was approved in 2018 and still not a peep.
Like I said, a non-issue for most.
Government, opposition and AAI all lied through their teeth to get MUP through.
Pocket money prices
Beer as cheap as water
Only affects strong drink
Only affects problem drinkers
etc. etc.
But the jig is up now we have been in the shops and seen ordinary drinks that we all buy gone up because of MUP
Well it was a great rant.
We Irish really do play up to the stereotype of the drink swilling, fighting Irish man (and woman to)
I posted this on another thread. A British Indian colleague of mine asked me out of courosity why is the first question Irish people ask about a wedding is "What time did it finish ?"
Why do people who decide not to drink on a night out have to make up excuses like "I'm on antibiotics" because they will be queried left right and centre why they aren't drinking ?
Why do we mock people who "can't hold their drink" ?
Having a low tolerance for alcohol is not actually a bad thing. I personally am delighted I'm on my ear after four pints rather than eight like used to be years ago.
We really need to take a good hard look at ourselves when it comes to alcohol.
seeing is believing and now that ppl see it for what it is there will be hell to pay I hope
Judging by the reaction so far, I don't see much of anything happening as its a non-issue for most.
Claims of similar outrage were mooted when the plastic bag levy was brought in, not a whisper. The same for LPT when that came in, talk of riots, but nadda. Same for a multitude of things. In fact the only thing that has been rolled back on in recent years, that I recall, is water charges which was a great shame and one I hope they eventually revisit.
By all means, prove me wrong and let me know what actions are being done or protests taking place or anything else which might lead to a reversal of the MUP. Happy to review whatever info you provide.
Of course. As any half decent stuff was above mup and does not change.
Only dirt and highly promoted loss leaders are affected.
But the anti brigade hone in on the few drinks that are no longer being sold at dirt cheap below cost prices that encourage overdrinking and the myriad of issues that comes with
But that does assume they're not going to get into a price differentiation spiral - the macro's maintaining their differentiation from the Galahads, and that driving prices up further.
Manislav and Rheinbacher are two of the best quality lagers available in Ireland, and have almost doubled in price overnight. It absolutely does not affect only "dirt".
Why would I bother trying to prove you wrong when I already pointed out where you were drawing the wrong conclusion in your previous post and you didn't even bother to reply?
Absolutely untrue.
Go into any supermarket and you will see all kinds of drinks have been affected by MUP.
So there are no actions or protests happening to reverse it?
You said -
What's this "we" ?
There are people who drink too much and they clearly need to take a good hard look at themselves.
The rest of us who drink sensibly just need to be left alone to get on with our lives.
MUP is a blunt instrument which hits us all.
The aim is not to prevent people getting pissed. The aim is to get people back drinking in pubs. Who ironically stopped drinking in pubs because they're a rip off.
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