I didn't say that, I was just responding to the overblown claim from Brolly.
I see Jeffrey is allying with partitionists trying to get talk of a UI shut down. He didn't quite go as bizarre to claim it was anti the GFA to be calling for a UI, but close enough.
Did you ever give us your thoughts on Ballymurphy actually? I can't remember.
I would have thought he'd be too busy with horticulture inquiries to care about a border poll.
Check the relevant thread.
That'd be a hard no then so, Blanch. Usual from yourself.....your issues with SF prevent you from having any sort of reasonable discourse. Best you can usually manage is attempting to pretend you're equally opposed to DUP....but only when actively pushed to say it
No, of course you didnβt say that. What you chose to do was frankly to nitpick at the detail rather than look at the substantive point. A bit like complaining at a statement that somebody had been convicted of, say, six murders when it was in fact only five.
Immediately undermine the commentator/whistleblower is the established strategy of the orthodoxy Brolly was talking about.
You see this all the time if anyone comments on the failings or blows the whistle on the institutions of the power swap - that basically and to all intents and purposes ignored the north after partition as it divided the spoils, so to speak.
A review of contributions to this site will show you that.
I see there have been calls for Brolly to tell us what he meant by atoning for what people close to him had done when he donated a kidney. It is another example of the omerta that surrounds the republican movement.
Took 40 years to break the British/Unionist state omerta on Bloody Sunday blanch.
Selectivity again. Any period of conflict/war will result in omerta/secrets/cover up etc.
Again it is the responsibility of government to constitute a truth process or just forget it all.
Of course that won't ever happen here as the governments were players to varying degrees, in what happened to cause and prolong the conflict/war.
But Republican's something something something.
BTW, I think it is fairly clear what Brolly means. And fair play to him.
Joe Brolly won't be covered by any truth process. He should tell us what he knows, now that he has admitted to such knowledge.
We don't need government to constitute a truth process. Sinn Fein could come clean about what they know.
ππ Sure blanch, let SF go first. That'll work.
Loony tune stuff.
You've already admitted that the British have done their bit by opening up about Bloody Sunday.
Maybe Sinn Fein and the republican movement could respond in kind and tell us about the Birmingham and Brighton bombings, e.g. who made the bombs, who planted them? It would be an equivalent confidence-building measure.
The British were 'forced' to tell the truth about Bloody Sunday and still haven't brought a single person to justice for it.
'opening up' ..... jesus what an insult to those who campaigned for 40 years. Disgraceful.
Still doesn't get away from the fact that we now know what happened on Bloody Sunday, and the republican movement hasn't reciprocated in kind.
Sure you 'know' everything the republican movement did blanch...or claim to. Adams in the RA, who was abused, shot etc.
Once the two government properly address legacy issues as they promised to do in the ancillary agreements to the GFA, then we shall see who is serious about truth.
The republican movement was not found wanting when a similar process was set up and committed to in finding the disappeared. I have posted the ICLVR comments on this many times now.
Would the likes of blanch call for the governments to fulfil their responsibilities? Hardly when you have never called them to account before.
What exactly do the IRA need to open up about?
The only people who have to open up are the British intelligence services not Loyalists or Republicans, we already know everything they are responsible for.
Did the guy who bombed Birmingham not do an interview with the BBC apologising for the killings not long ago? He said he was meant to phone a warning but the telephone box he was meant to use had been vandalised.
Did the IRA not claim responsibilty for the Brighton bombing the very next day? The bomber Patrick Magee was convicted and even admitted responsibility in an interview with the guardian.
Not keeping up to date are you?
The smithick enquiry made for v.interesting reading,as regards field tactics/modus operandi......anyone calling for a truth & reconcilliation commission is to be appauled
We all learned about,and read likes of tom barry,dan breen,george lennon,sean south,wolf tone,francis hudges etc growing up,would be no harm for long term activists to be allowed freedom to speak of their activities,republicans have zero to hide from such a proposal.......
Fcuk it,if it costs shinners votes (it wont btw),the free state elite have been broken and them votes will not go flooding back to liberials here,change is after decades of misrule here,at last coming
Why don't you, as Fionn suggested, just say no. Or link your response, or even better, tell me directly here what you said. Save the rigmarole.
It does feel like there's a reckoning coming.
I think the Stormont elections in May will tell a lot.
Essentially, Unionism will collapse the institution in the event of a Nationalist (read SF) First Minister and the the Partitionists on here will tell us that Republicans and Nationalists have to meet Unionism half way.
They wont collaspe it,joint rule should be back on table if they do
Its pretty stunningly short sighted,if they collaspe it over a nationlist having what is essentially just a symbolic role
The latest I've heard is that Donaldson will collapse it for two months, if SF emerge as main party after election...keep it collapsed, if the DUP do better than expected it, have it up and running in a week.
This has nothing to do with the Protocol, it's all about polls.
Not going off topic on subjects of other threads.
Why do you think that unionism will collapse the institution in the event of a SF First Minister. I fully expect a SF First Minister, the extreme sectarian vote on the Nationalist side doesn't seem to be declining as fast as the extreme sectarian vote on the Unionist side.
Where it will get really interesting is if in the following election or two, the Alliance is challenging for the largest party. These is a big shift with the emergence of the central parties - Greens included with Alliance and a few others - and that is the force that will lead to change in how Northern Ireland is governed.
I think that could very much work in our favour if they do.
Some interesting reading published on this thread.
When there's a UI all communities will need representation. All will be judged at election time. Maybe SF will fair as well as they do now. No unionists outside of Fine Gael in the south and SF do swell.
To me the unionists are dying out there's not as much in Northern Ireland as you think, compared to more out doing catholics Mainly Belfast where as most of northern Ireland is Catholic, I know it's still divided because I'm up every weekend
Both unionism and nationalism are in decline as a third minority - those who see themselves as Northern Irish, neither Irish or British - emerges and vote for parties like the Alliance, Greens, PBP etc.
As usual Blanch, you conflate national identity with ones preference with regards to the Constitutional Question.
Ultimately, the vast majority of those who identify as Northern Irish (most of whom identify as N. Irish AND British or Irish, but we'll disregard that for now) STILL have a preference for either Unification or remaining part of the United Kingdom.
The increase in numbers for the third identity doesn't correlate in any way with an increase in support for any of your proposed solutions; ultimately it will boil down to what's behind door number 1 or what's behind door number 2.
A greater number of what would've been generational hardline 1 or 2 are certainly more able to be convinced one way or the other on merit of argument (which is to be commended), yet support for any of your alternatives remains at below a whisper.
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