The Masonic Lodge in Dublin was set on fire tonight. A man was injured.
Absolutely disgusting and shameful to see a lot of the far right like Angela Ray and Grand Torino celebrating it and cheering it on.
I have never heard any IRA volunteer talk about Freemasons. I've heard a lot who hated the Catholic Church.
All we know is that there was a fire? Is it known whether it was deliberate? I don’t get this thread.
They liked breaking into and wrecking masons halls in the war of independence.
And Sinn Fein about to walk into government with no effective opposition....
No. **** are celebrating the fire. Your bizarre and frankly ludicrous obsession for wanting to classify everything you dislike as "right" or "far-right" is bemusing.
Just because you seem to be obsessed at everything the lunatics you follow on social media say, doesn't mean that "the far right" are delighting in this.
**** sake. Grow up. A man was injured in what looks to be an arson attack and your immediate response is to turn it into a left Vs right thing.
Pathetic.
Again, showing your bias there Mike. The "left" are not immune to their own conspiracies.
But it's handy to put things in boxes.
Would you consider freemasonry to be left or right?
How many masonic lodge members do you personally know?
They aren't. Lunatics you follow on Twitter are saying it because they are ****. Their political leaning means nothing.
**** sake.
You're the same kind of person who would be the first to shout " not all Muslims" because of the actions of a few. Perhaps put you biased opinion aside and accept that you are blinded by your bizarre fixation to demonise people who disagree with you.
Thread needs some tidying up and some mod instruction
It will be re-opened before too long
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You may all consider yourselves armchair sleuths but keep your theories/speculation/idle gossip to yourselves. Leave it for the relevant authorities to determine cause and fault
Equally one person celebrating something like this delivers absolutely no political message from either left or right so drop that nonsense
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The RCC position is that nothing good can come from secret societies and Christians should not join.
..as a member for 24 years, I've not once encountered a Right-Wing Mason. Most of us are middle to left. The misinformation in threads like these is extraordinary.
Misinformation? You're a member of a secret society. Do you not see the irony there?
Is there an irony there?
Your experience is vastly different than mine. I'm not saying every mason I know is a far right zealot, but any man who is a member of a men only fraternity would be rarely looked at as a left wing ally by certain posters on here unless the narrative suited them. Such as this thread.
Seems the mod doesn't like the facts to be on the thread
No wonder boards is dying a death.
We'll maybe this Irish times report is good enough
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/anti-vaccination-graffiti-found-after-suspected-arson-at-masonic-hall-1.4767318
That doesn't necessarily mean that they are right wing.
It's a bit of a given at this stage that even James Connolly or Karl Marx wouldn't be pure enough for much of the left today.
Absolutely. I didn't mean to insinuate the masons are far right or even right wing, but I was surprised to see Anna see them as a target of only the right wing.
I'm genuinely curious. What does "Hail the Light" mean?
I've encountered this recently and I'm fascinated.
I’d imagine it’s only going to get worse. The idea that the far left are sympathizing with the Freemasons is just staggering and tells you exactly how far off course they are at the moment. Between this and being the chief cheerleaders of the longest lockdown in the world it would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
Anyone with a scrap of basic humanity would sympathise with victims of a criminal arson attack. Your own denigration of this tells you exactly how far off course YOU are at the moment.
Oh Andrew, you spectacularly missed the point.
The reason this whole thread was created was to have a pop at the "far right".
We are merely commenting on how ridiculous the premise is that the "left" are the ones who are standing in solidarity with the Freemasons while the "right" are delighted about it.
Nope, I got the point completely. What you seem to have missed is that there is anything strange in standing in solidarity with any victims of violent crime such as arson. That's not a vote of support for anything or everything that Freemasons do. It is just noting the abject horror of trying to set fire to a heritage building based on far-right nonsensical radicalisation misinformation.
I missed that? Was it when I called is disgraceful and hoped that the person responsible is punished to the extent of the law?
Nobody has condoned this.
Anti-vaxxers, Qanon, conspiracy theorists, Freeman idiots, and the far right now represent a domestic terror threat. That's where we are today. I'm not sure what the next steps are but it's time the authorities started taking this more seriously.
I really don’t think Irish officialdom has been taking them as a serious threat and it’s been allowed to get way out of hand.
I mean, you see all sorts of absolutely weird threats being made online, various people including politicians, prominent scientists and healthcare people, media and even Gardai being badly harassed, yet with little or no response at all.
Ireland isn’t immune to, or entirely isolated from online crazy spreading into the real world.
It’s definitely not something that’s widespread in the general public or politics like it is in the USA, and I think we are cynical enough and most of us seem to have an inbuilt ability to spot bonkers b/s from several miles off, but it just needs a small number of hardcore conspiracy believing unhinged types to cause crazy stuff.
Remember when you said that there was something ridiculous about standing in solidarity with the victims of a violent crime?
No.
Short memories?
This lot are paranoid conspiracy theorists. They tend to maybe revolve around the right more so at the moment, but they’ll jump on any conspiracy.
They’re buying into predominantly American urban legends and online conspiracy theories about COVID and that tends to feed into some aspects of fringes of right politics, but there’s more than that involved in it.
You’re looking at cult like behaviour, often coupled with extreme gullibility and poor analytical abilities.
That’s what’s even more worrying. You’re not dealing with some obnoxious, but developed ideology. Instead, it’s a jumble of nonsense, trigger topics, paranoid theories and generally isn’t very clever or logical. It’s reinforced online by people who either genuinely believe it, or political actors use it to manipulate and cause chaos.
How you deal with that, I don’t know. It’s a challenge for the social media age and I think we have seen a lot of bleed over from the long standing American tinfoil hat brigade.
COVID fits their conspiracy theories and it’s fed even more paranoid stuff and lashing out behaviour.
I’d love to hear how I “denigrated” the victims of the suspected arson attack on the Masonic lodge. Please point out specifically the “denigration” or apologise for your mistake. Thanks.
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