But the bottom line is most will stay .
-(and once more) What are the benefits of multiculturalism? (apart from superflous things like food)
I didn't know we were allowed to eat them.
Freeman stuff.
Hmmm, not all of the Asians who come here are necessarily well motivated or think well of us. I particularly remember the individual who was smuggling people in via Dublin Airport. Not a pleasant individual. But he stuck out, for being unsavoury. Broadly speaking, we have absorbed Hungarians,Cubans and Vietnamese as a result of crises and they largely settled into our country and gave us very little bother. They don't tend to stick their heads above the parapet,crime-wise and they tend to do well in education. I'm sure the Revenue might have an opinion about "Chinese" restaurants and other outlets such as nail bars and hair grooming parlours,though. As for the concept of multiculturalism, what does annoy me is the forceful dominance of Africans over all other cultures, when it comes to multiculturalism, as if we can't accept ANY European culture before theirs and if we do,we are accused of being racists. Quite simply,that isn't right.
Both of which aren't religious (secular attitudes towards religion), and typically do well in western nations, being employed/innovative (business creation). Besides the rather heavy emphasis on family, and better upbringing of children/teens.
Completely agree. We should be encouraging Asian immigration over that of Africa, M.East or S.America.
Or even 2nd tier east asian countrys' citizens would jump to come here. Vietnam cambodia thailand etc.
That's who we should be importing - Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong. Instead we get low IQ chancers who'll enrich the welfare office.
The scheme announced by Minister of Justice for amnesty for illegal immigrants is itself illegal.
1.There is no enabling legislation or secondary legislation for such a scheme.
2.There is no plan to introduce a bill before the Dail and go through the various stages before voting on it in both houses .
3.In December the Supreme Court by Unanimous verdict determined determined that an employment contract is unlawful when a person does not have a work permit or permission to be in the State.
4.MOJ will over ride that verdict thereby seizing power from the Judicial Branch of Goverment .
5.DOJ website states these illegal immigrants will be eligible for state supports on successful application. The bill is potentially up to 3 Billion in social welfare payments per year. Only the Dail can initiate a Money Bill under the Constitution to approve spending. This disbursement is a reallocation of funds already voted on for different purposes. It is therefore a massive fraud being committed by the MOJ against the people of Ireland.
6.The DOJ statement states minor crimes will not affect application. AS in para 4 above this is an expansion of arbitrary powers seized by the MOJ from the Judicial branch of government and without legislation for this amnesty it is absolutely illegal.
Exactly. Just for once i would love the NGO would push the east asian cultures(japan, korea etc), hard work, obedience, education, competition, family and communal values( and responsibilities), instead of the failing cultures they cannot get enough of. It almost as if there is a conspiracy to corrupt and destroy from within, western culture. (Ie cultural marxism and the long march through institutions are a thing)
So to sum up. Some cultures (countries) have objectively failed. They are poor and violent and people from these countries leave them and claim asylum in the rich successful West.
When they get to the West they have the exact same culture that led to their home countries failing. However Westerners are meant to be eternally grateful to them and rejoice in multiculturalism?
I don't really understand how people don't get this
"No, it comes from a different fund"
It's all end the of the day government money competing for the same resources. I have zero against any economic migrant or asylum seeker, I am friends with many through work.
But the standard approach of through money at a problem to fix it without attempted to understand the why, any long term consequences or even the numbers affected is one of the reasons I am likely not voting next time out.
Immigration itself may not be a vote deciding issue but it demonstrates the idiotic, frivolous nature in which the government spends /invests/wastes money in this county, cheered on by the opposition and media for twitter likes and kudos.
I agree with this. I don't believe asylum seekers should be part of this scheme to regulate illegal immigrants. I doubt there will be many actually getting anything out of it.
I have no idea what this even means?
Some may get regulated under the new scheme, others will not. Some asylum seekers will get leave to remain under the asylum system, some will not.
He won't though.
The fact of the matter is that recognising these people in DP/Appeals in an official manner that is outside of the standard process for Asylum, and appeals, creates a bias towards their claims. Anyone who dismisses that is simply refusing to acknowledge human nature. Any such recognition will be used by the NGOs and their legal council to help these claimants to be accepted for asylum.
They don’t yet it’s just a matter of time .You could try to show how they will not get leave to remain and be deported.
Different strokes, for different folks, but personally I find that the ignore option works fine.
The pension system can't be saved by mass immigration.
Questions for supporters of multiculturalism:
-Is there an upper limit to the percentage of non-Irish population that you would like to see in Ireland i.e 50% non-Irish?
-Would you prefer EU immigrants vs non-EU immigrants?
Oh so now you interpreted what someone else said, and decided that they didn't mean it?
Grand, I read it and took it exactly As it was written.
No double standards with me.
I seriously can't see the thinking in trying to increase a population that has serious under sufficient health care services and housing to name a few. At the end of the day were only a small island.
Native Irish are not reproducing fast enough.
They don't need to. We don't have an economy that needs a large population. Very few industries in Ireland are labor intensive, and most of them can easily (although there's cost involved) be upgraded with technology to further decrease the amount of workers needed. Besides, EU migration should be able to cover our needs without encouraging immigration from Africa or the M.East.
That's the hidden agenda being run by Government.
Agreed, although I'd say it's more to do with the political parties as opposed to a single government. Personally, I suspect it's a desire for a new voter base, as Irish people are becoming less patient with the politics of the past, and the political parties are hoping that immigrants will appreciate what's been done for them.
Did you even bother to read your own article this time? If there’s one thing that keeps left-leaning politicians in power, it’s aping right-wing politics to decimate support for right-wing parties.
Frederiksen in 2019 -
Frederiksen “has refused to make concrete promises, except when it comes to immigration,” Politiken said. For that, her pledge is to keep tough curbs passed by the current government in place.
Under pressure from the far-right, Denmark has spent the last two decades cracking down on immigration all in the aim of protecting its prosperity and social cohesion.
Until recently these policies earned stern criticism from the left, including the largest party, the Social Democrats.
The party is led by Frederiksen, who herself has been a stern critic of Denmark's tough stance towards immigrants.
In the early 2000s, she denounced Denmark's policy as one of the “toughest in Europe”.
But eyeing power Frederiksen changed tack and the move paid off as her party topped the vote ahead of the Liberals.
Frederiksen in 2021:
The PM said that she wanted to reduce asylum applications in Denmark to zero during comments in parliament.
“That’s what our target is. Of course, we can’t promise it,” she said.
“We can’t promise zero asylum seekers but we can create a vision, like we did before the election, that we want a new asylum system and then do what we can to implement it,” she continued.
It’s not really a novel approach, politicians tell people what they think people want to hear all the time in order to gain or maintain power. What’s novel about this approach is it’s insincerity - don’t promise anything, don’t have to deliver on anything either, and still hope to be re-elected in 2023. Fredriksen has managed to create a Land of Promises that her party clearly has no intention of delivering on.
Denmark's prime minister has stated that they want zero more asylum seekers - they've had more than enough cultural enrichment! According to some of the lads on here Denmark's loss will be Ireland's gain- god bless them!
https://www.thelocal.dk/20210122/danish-prime-minister-wants-country-to-accept-zero-asylum-seekers/
We have the same argument in the UK. However it doesn't really stand up to scrutiny....
We import people from the third world that dont speak english and dont have any skills we need. There's absolutely no way they pay more in tax than they take from the taxpayer...
Again I have to ask, what’s this ‘we’ business? Properties are being built, bought and sold in this country every day. Nowhere has it been suggested that anyone is magically gifting anyone a gaff (unless you mean by way of avoiding paying inheritance tax, which I don’t think you do 😏). What’s been suggested happening within four months is providing people with accommodation, replacing direct provision - a system which is deemed to be no longer fit for purpose.
Multiculturalism drives innovation and social progress. The whole point of it is it’s benefit to society as opposed to any perceived benefits to individuals within that society. Ireland is already multicultural in many aspects, if culture is taken to mean what culture actually means -
And not - “Beware de foreigners!”
Places like Ireland have a lack of affordable housing and a struggling healthcare system which is neither caused by, exacerbated by, nor will these issues be solved by either permitting immigration, nor prohibiting immigration. It’s best not to conflate multiculturalism with immigration in any case.
Unfortunately we have failed to undo the influence of the English Government upon Irish society, so we’re stuck with English as opposed to our own native language which is part of our own Irish culture, which formed the basis of many of our stories, art, traditions and beliefs. There are pockets of it around the country, and it’s still taught badly in Irish schools. Can’t blame the English for that one, that’s due to a more Roman influence, founded on beliefs which gained popularity in the Middle East about ohhh, 2,000 or so years ago by way of a brown-skinned Middle Eastern Jew (apparently!) -
Let’s face it, your statement that a lot of immigrants couldn’t survive without help from the Irish taxpayer, is bullshìt. When not being discriminated against and they have the same opportunities as anyone else in Irish society, immigrants not only survive, but they thrive, and contribute to Irish society in the same way as anyone else - some immigrants contribute more, some immigrants contribute nothing, no different than Irish people already - some Irish people contribute more to Irish society, some Irish people contribute nothing. Anyones contribution to Irish society isn’t based upon either their citizenship or immigration status.
Without large scale immigration the ponzi scheme will collapse.
I am talking about ratio of workers relative to state pensioners. Native Irish are not reproducing fast enough.
now I know you are deliberately posting lies.
they are allowed to apply.
it is not irony. It is merely called reading.
I am afraid you are the one who made something up. You presume to know what was in their head, I took what they said as what it said. which was not true.
We are now definitely the new "promised land ".
Jaysus bubbly you may get on to the movement of asylum seekers Ireland (masi) n tell them it's a lie. The poor crayturs think Christmas came early this year!
An early crimbo present delivered by minister mc enter and paid for by Irish taxpayers (naturally!)
MASI also welcomes inclusion of the people who seek international protection (Asylum Seekers) and have been in the system for two years and more. The inclusion of the people under threat of deportation also shows the inclusive approach being taken by the Minister, to include as many people as she possibly can.
It is comforting to see that the report by Catherine Day (see below) has informed some of these decisions.
The mood has suddenly changed for many people who have been stuck in direct provision for so long. Everyone is happy and sees this as an early Christmas present .”
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