We can barely build a house in this country at the minute yet some think we can just magically give people a gaff after 4 months.
Talk about living in cuckoo land.
Not going to let the facts get in the way of a ridiculous argument, are you?
For starters, they won’t own the properties in any case? The properties will be owned either by the State, by approved housing bodies, or by private ownership. Immigrants will be accommodated according to a needs based assessment and will be required to pay rent according to their means, in a programme that is initially designed to accommodate 3,500 people per annum. There will be no impact on any “housing crisis” in Dublin as the scheme will be funded and run separately, nationally, apart from other existing schemes.
The whole point of permitting immigrants to seek employment is so that they won’t be dependent upon welfare, so they will be competing for employment opportunities with Irish people, and immigrants can not be held responsible for Paddies kids living at home in their 30s, or sodding off to Oz or Canada when they reopen. That’s entirely Paddies kids choice, same as it has been throughout history - people seeking to make a new life and opportunities for themselves abroad emigrated, and immigrated to other countries. Irish employers aren’t obligated to hold positions open for Paddies kids until they come of age, and when they do come of age, they’re competing in the open jobs market the same as everyone else. I thought we were down with the whole “people should be hired on merit” thing, no? Or is that just the explanation offered when it favours people you’d prefer were hired over others?
That’s the same sort of attempting to pit one group in society against another was seen in the thread earlier. If it’s not young people, it’s people who are homeless, or it’s people who are unemployed, or it’s some other group, when in reality it’s plain as day the person who does that, clearly doesn’t give a fcuk about any group, it’s just whataboutery to suit their purposes aimed at portraying any particular group (in this case immigrants) as responsible for other peoples circumstances.
The whole point is that it is an alternative to the current system of direct provision which simply isn’t fit for purpose. It’s all here in black and white if you’re genuinely interested in the scheme, and not just interested in stoking up resentment of immigrants as if they are responsible for anything they’re not, when it’s ultimately the people who are elected by the Irish electorate to run the country, are responsible, and currently they’re all Irish.
The reason I emphasise currently, is because I have no doubt at some point in the future there will be a politician whose ancestors immigrated here who will run for election like a one-trick pony with an anti-immigration manifesto as is happening in other countries already.
The irony being that you apparently know what was in their head..... but nobody else can? What wondrous powers you have. (Although I tend to assume some benefit of doubt to peoples claims, aware that people can be mistaken...)
As for trawling through your previous posts, nah, I won't. However, I'll pop in to point any new ones as being lies.
Yes, they haven't been deported because of covid. Fair enough I would have thought. That doesn't give them leave to remain. They are still in the system.
The government has said that they may apply to regularise their status, along with all other undocumented/illegal immigrants in the country. Allowed to apply, not automatically receive.
So, no they don't have leave to remain. It's still a lie.
Heard there on the radio earlier that Nkencho's sisters are putting themselves in the news again calling for a public enquiry, no mention as to who would foot the bill for it though but we all know it won't be the good folks holding their little vigil outside the cop shop.
It wouldn't surprise me one bit if spineless McEntee agreed with them, I didn't think we could have a more hopeless Minister for Justice than Charlie Flanagan but she proved me wrong.
Wonder did their little scumbag brother who threatened to kill a Garda have charges brought against him?
We must be the only place in the world where people come to our country and tell us what we should be doing.
So no asylum seekers have been deported since covid hit almost 2 years ago. and the government has said in the times link above that they can Regularise their status in a once in a generation amnesty. If that isn't leave to remain I dunno what is.
Glad to help bubbly.
It was a lie. Unless you are also that poster and know what was in their head?
If you can find somewhere that I lied, go ahead and post it.
Inaccurate rather than a "lie".
Tell me Bubbly, would you really like other posters to start accusing you of lying? You've made many statements on this thread and elsewhere which faded to nothing when you were queried.. should we start calling your inaccurate statements "lies"? (since a lie would suggest the intentional desire to mislead others, as opposed to a simple mistake)
So when you said that 8000 people in direct provision have been given leave to remain by the minister, that was a lie.
Glad we cleared that up.
Eh Regularise their status is leave to stay. There has been zero deportations since covid begun, so whoever's in direct provision is getting an amnesty. Suck it up, paddy taxpayer!
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No deportations have occurred since March in respect of unsuccessful applications for International Protection
'What's the numbers in direct provision at the minute- 8000 ish? and they have all received leave to stay here recently from the minister'
This is what I am asking you. Where did you see this?
Regularise their status is the words you're looking for bubbly it's in there somewhere, keep looking!
Any answer to what I asked ?
I forgot about the amnesty for the illegals, so it gets better!
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/undocumented-and-asylum-seekers-can-regularise-status-via-once-in-a-generation-scheme-1.4745369
Undocumented migrants and asylum seekers who have been in direct provision for at least two years will be able to apply to regularise their status in Ireland from January under a “once-in-a-generation” scheme.
'and they have all received leave to stay here recently from the minister'
Where did you see this?
That's the scheme. So keys to their own place and full welfare within 4 months- airlines may start putting on direct flights to Nigeria, Pakistan etc if that comes off, such will be the demand.
What's the numbers in direct provision at the minute- 8000 ish? and they have all received leave to stay here recently from the minister. She felt it was the right thing to do, which is nice.
What's the average number for family repatriation for each asylum seeker anyone know? Say 2 for the craic, seems low but anyway, that's 24k that have to be housed, full dole etc. It should help keep the housing crisis going anyway! Paddies kids can keep living at home in their 30's or else sod off to Oz, Canada etc when they reopen.
I do tbh, I think it should have been done from day one as such, and the idea of direct provision should never have been on the table. I think they should also have been permitted to seek employment from day one and supports should have been provided to intergrate immigrants into communities around the country as is being done now, as opposed to having them all concentrated in major urban areas. That would have required investment in rural development at the time too though, which successive Governments have been rather slow on the uptake about.
I take it this is what you’re referring to?
Seeing as you reckon direct provision is a massive waste of money do u agree with Roderick o gormans push to give every asylum seeker the keys to their own pad within 4 months of arriving here?
No need for a circular argument klaz as I’m sure you’re well aware that the income and expenditure of the State is not a zero sum game as though the State can only address one single issue at a time.
Your argument can basically be boiled down to the same points that are made regarding funding any group in Irish society, whether it’s immigrants, unemployed, homeless, disabled, childcare, etc, and of course the most popular demographic on Boards - “the taxpayer”, as if anyone who refers to “the taxpayer” isn’t just referring to themselves.
No matter how much anyone pays in taxes, it’s the Government who decides where revenue it gets will be be spent in the budget to fund the Irish economy. Sure, there’s plenty of it goes back to Irish people already in the form of payment for goods and services to the State, and there’s plenty goes to fund all sorts of other things which people would rather it didn’t.
There’s really nothing new there. Next time there’s the inevitable thread on unmarried mothers with the inevitable tabloid link in the opening post, it’ll be the same story as this one - “the State shouldn’t be funding their lifestyle”, “squeezed middle”, etc, and there will be no shortage of posters doing their back of a napkin calculations to establish as though it were fact, how much this particular individual is costing the State, as well as the few that’ll comb through social media for ‘ere a juicy tidbit to fuel the moral outrage bandwagon.
Not directed at you btw. I'm not going to get into a circular argument with oej, but your/his quote got me thinking about this.
I think it's more a preference that the resources of this country go to benefit Irish people (regardless of their backgrounds), than people who are under appeals (DP) and probably should have been deported long ago (whose overall cost, as an individual, far outweighs the cost of an Irish person, due to legal fees, supports, etc).. or those migrants who will stay for a few years to get the benefit of government support, but then move elsewhere.
I always find it interesting the way posters on boards will acknowledge the lack of funding for our poorer or less fortunate groups, or the decline in services, but won't have too much interest in taking away resources from the services that cater to migrant groups. Oh, the response will be that nothing has changed with our governments and public service, and money will continue to be wasted.. which is valid, but if there is more resources available, wouldn't that mean more resources available for those who need them, regardless of the waste involved? And somehow it's worse that we might put Irish people first, ahead of the supposed needs of migrants or those in DP... I always find that a strange one. Never mind the growing wealth inequalities, unemployment at the lower income ranges, or whatever... there's plenty of issues within Irish society that relate to our lower income groups.. but it's still more important that we continue wasting money on migrant groups (who, in the vast majority of cases, should be able to provide for themselves already before arriving in Ireland...)
good for you and your voluntary work. Also what's spent on largely unjustified asylum claims(c 80% as per the dept of justice) would cover many thousand dail bar bills
It’s your mate is happy to jump to conclusions about others, I’d make the same point to anyone who comes out with the same sort of shìte. They don’t be long realising I’m not interested in their shìte talk, let alone would I bother repeating it or embellishing it just for shìts n giggles.
Voluntary work lads, relax, what you pay in tax doesn’t cover the bar bill in the Dáil, let alone fund the enormous waste of money that is Direct Provision.
You’d swear the way some people go on that anyone was taking the bit out of yer mouths.
Another snout in asylum industry trough if I was a betting man! Now hands up anyone for more funding required!
Saw photos before of 'child' migrants in classrooms in Sweden iirc. Sweet Jesus how anyone could put them down as under 25 beggared belief.
Troublemaker perhaps? Serial complainer and constantly moved around perhaps? An inspector? A member of the clergy?
What has you in a few different dp centres?
Not at all, as hed say himself is none of his business. He gets on great with most of the residents, goes above and beyond for them and has a fantastic relationship with many of the longer term residents . It was an observation (one I added due to this "I used to know someone" from bubbly) . Besides having sex isn't illegal, nor is having a baby.
You seem very happy to jump to conclusions about people. Apologies I did say all, he did not, he did say large number, I stand corrected on that.
British media reporting today that majority of child migrants are adult men.
Edit 2/3rds proven to be adults not 1/3 proven to be children.
Linky https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10348715/amp/Two-three-asylum-seekers-claimed-18-lied-age-new-data-suggests.html
very poor start to your assimilation. Fully grown men pretending to be children in order to garner sympathy and better treatment. I wonder how they dealt with them in foster care
Fair point jm but that was 15 years ago now, the babies born then would be teenagers now if not in their 20’s, as opposed to what @Luxembourgo s mate was suggesting - that all the women are getting pregnant in order to stay in the country. His impressions are well outdated.
Oh I didn’t think ‘twas him doing any ridin’ ‘tall. The way I read it was that all the fellas in DP were hooking up with all the women. I don’t doubt he told you that alright, I’ve heard the same sort of shìte many times myself.
The thing I always wonder is how do people like them square it with themselves that they’re seeing all this shìte going on apparently, but yet they’re still perfectly happy to maintain it as long as they’re getting paid at the end of the day themselves!
FWIW I’ve been in a few of these “DP centres”, and I wouldn’t house a dog in them, let alone a family with children. Your mate truly does sound like the type of person who looks down on the people in there, is critical of where his tax money is going, but is happy to support the system at the same time - once he gets paid he doesn’t REALLY give a fcuk.
TBH if they are getting pregnant with your man they deserve to stay.
But if they're getting it with their man, that's all they know to do anyway, but we the civilized world have a soft spot for pregnant women, even when the right thing to do will be to deport them immediately before they are to far in to travel.
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