Just as a maniac cop was being sentenced to manslaughter in Minnesota, a young girl was killed during an incident where maniac cops were trying to shoot a guy causing a commotion in a store, which is apparently a capital offense in LA.
Seriously FFS.
14-year-old girl fatally shot by police in store dressing room (msn.com)
All other police forces ? really ?
Police Killings by Country 2021 (worldpopulationreview.com)
Police are not the judge, jury and executor. His crime is irrelevant here. He was no threat to the police and no threat to any other member of the public the time he was shot. Very much mania cop. Even watching the 4-way officer cam video, the police were all over the place. One idiot going up the downwards escaltor. Scared cowards doing what scared cowards do.
Watching the store surveillance video, the last person he attacked was lucky, he was absolutely hammering at her with the bike lock as she lay on the ground. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjcdanUhmSY
When the cops arrived, she's on her back trying to crawl away from her attacker. They see a woman down and bleeding (There's blood on the white tile from an earlier attack and they may be able to see the blood on her head visible in the second photo below), and they know he's armed with something. Reports to them vary from bike lock to gun.
There's also a shooter's bodycam perspective. It's true he didn't take much time to assess the situation. On the other hand, the cop knows he's dangerous, he's got something black in his hand, and he's maneuvering.
There's also little indication that there's possible people behind the shelving and wall in the background. It really does come under the heading of 'unfortunate incident.' more than 'manic cop'
Fat white people.
She's a wagon of the highest order. The Irish version of Diane Abbott.
not content with watching it on tv this horrific example of "humanity" gleefully trys to bring some racial violence here ,
(1) Ruth Coppinger (@RuthCoppingerSP) / Twitter
would ove to see her charged with incitement to racial hatred which is exactly what she is at .
When your holding an assault rifle and pointing it at someone with the intention of using it, you better be damn sure you have your facts right.
A police officers job is to access a situation and make a well informed choice based on what he can see in front of him. Regardless of what reports are coming in, his decision can be a matter of life or death. Your argument is baseless, simply because the facts are undeniable and the decision the police man made was wrong. There was no firearm, you do not shoot a person unless you know categorically they are armed.
A trigger happy police officer made the wrong call and an innocent died because of it. Saying a police officer made the wrong call is not police bashing. Had the perp been armed it would have been the right call, but he wasn't armed with a gun.
What could of happened doesn't matter here, its what did happen and why it it did.
Except it does matter. I've noticed this on threads where posters want to bash the American police. They seek to sterilize the environment removing all the considerations that influence what happens, except for aspects that are known in hindsight that seek to show the police as being unreasonable.
The sheer amount of violence and gun crime is pointed to in other threads, but it's ignored here. Any situation that involves a person being violent can easily escalate in the US, due to the availability of firearms, and the ability to conceal said weapons. There's never been any confusion over how a person is supposed to behave when the police show up. You're told to get down. You get down. You're told to dance a jig, you dance a jig. The culture of the US is such that the police have established themselves as an ultimate authority when trouble occurs. This isn't Ireland, or Europe where the hands of the police are often tied by a wide range of rules... nor is it some place where most people don't have access to anything more dangerous than a melee weapon.
You've made the case that the person involved was mentally ill, but how would a police officer know that at the time, and more importantly, know that illness is not a dangerous factor in their behavior? I often wonder at the logic on posts to threads such as this.
What happened was terrible, and the police officer should be properly investigated for the killing of the innocent.. but as long as the US remains such a violent country, with easy access to firearms, any person who refuses to stand down is choosing to place themselves in danger. It's not as if the standard reaction of the police isn't known when confronted with anyone showing violent behavior.
Yes, the US needs a range of reforms in regards to police behavior, but US culture needs the same attention.
I feel like the shooting was totally justified given the circumstances but I do believe this situation highlights major training issues with the police in question.
Firstly, all that panic when they're trying to get organized before they walk in together to meet the offender is a vital waste of time and just plain embarrassing for any "professional". Secondly, the LEO who shot the offender and killed the little girl had absolutely no consideration for the background behind their target. That's poor training on a very basic level for anybody holding a firearm. Thirdly, why are you using an assault rifle in a supermarket with paper walls against an unarmed man? (Albeit a bike lock is not armed in the American sense and yes I understand they got 911 calls saying he's armed but they got to the scene and still used an AR after confirming no firearm)
It's tragic for everybody really but this is just the result of shoddy training and bad nerves.
She well have been already dead but in a lot of these police shooting videos you will see cops standing around having a Chat while waiting for EMTs to arrive,I thought the officer in this shooting used what looks like a M16 a2 rifle fitted with an acog sight , rather than a pistol or short carbine , definitely didn't consider his surroundings before firing multiple times,did they claim one of the bullets ricocheted off the floor?
I see the victim was a Chilean immigrant. Parents said the police refused to assist the dying girl but I think the cops in America don't try CPR themselves. I think if it is true that American cops don't actually use their guns that much in their whole career than maybe they be bad shots or reckless when they do
But it wasn't a mass shooting the police witnessed no gun fire, gun shot victims or people holding a fire arm, or are you saying they can't make a decision based on what's in front of them. Your trying to say this or that could have happened, what happened was trigger happy police killied a mentally unstable man and innocent bystander. What could of happened doesn't matter here, its what did happen and why it it did.
American police are the worst in the world?
Have you ever been outside Europe?
Imagine 13 Russian police officers rushing in like that.
It wouldn't happen.
American cops are the worst in the world who seem genuinely terrified going into most situations they attend.
It's all down to their training and they are all cowards imo.
Back in 2017 a cop killed a woman after she reported what sounded like someone getting attacked outside her house. The woman killed was a decent member of society, she was Australian and a trained vet. Her family were awarded $20m from the City of Minneapolis for the killing. This compensation is second only to the killing of George Floyd who got $27m...
However you never hear about her for some reason.... by the way she was white and the cop that killed her was from somalia....
#Justine Damond
Most never fire their guns in an entire career, last time I checked.
But then you have this kind of stuff that just boggles the mind:
In Vallejo, California, a former police captain is alleging a secretive ritual that has triggered an independent investigation into the city's embattled police force: he says some officers involved in fatal shootings since 2000 bent the tips of their star-shaped badges to mark each time they killed someone in the line of duty.
But she was shouting “Tazer” even before she shot him. If you believe she went down the “accidental shooting” route to cover up a moment of mania, how come she was shouting that even before shooting him?
Well said Sir, spot on!
Dig up.
But the cameras were there and caught everything, so she couldn't do that. Maybe 5 or 10 years ago they could have buried it, but that is not an option now.
The argument I am making is that if she had just shot him and claimed it was justified, she likely wouldn’t have been charged with anything at all.
Why would she deliberately shoot him, then go for an 'accidental killing' defence, when it was this very admission of making a mistake that made her defence so weak?
Simple. She would have been charged with second degree murder if she did not go with the 'accidental killing' defence. It was her only option to go for the 'accidental killing' defence.
I made the point that we should also publicise deaths of blacks in africa by african policemen.
Why should we judge white policemen to a higher standard than black policemen?
They arrived at a scene of a potential mass shooting. He was armed with a heavy duty chain and bike lock. Multiple reports of him having a gun. It was a split second decision. Deploying a tazer or closing to baton range could be very dangerous. Also letting the guy loose another few seconds could have resulted in someone getting brained, or into thr changing area. The officer with the shotgun appeared to have green cartridges, beanbags.
If this happened in ireland and a detective unit was first on the scene they would have gone in pistols drawn
Just watched the video, assault rifle versus bike lock, total over kill. Makes you wonder why so many officers couldn't take on one guy with a bike lock, would have thought superior numbers, tazers, batons and CS spray would have been a wiser choice.
All the police achieved was the killing of a mentally deranged individual and innocent bystander because of the the default option - overkill.
i holidayed a few times in the US as a kid and was besotted with the place. To the point of thinking about if I’d like to move there…lots of family there too… Don’t think I’d be bothered with it now… dangerous.
i find it hard to believe you’d mistake pulling a gun for a taser or visa versa. I’m reading a taser weighs half of what your average handgun weighs and the taser is bright yellow..
Police in America is largely a working class profession.
There is a class snobbery and disdain for them from the modern left in America because of that.
They could care less than a 1000 Black Americans out of a population of 650k African Americans in Chicago are murdered each year.
That's not trendy, not something that they want to get involved with.
It's telling that the highest support for Defund the Police is among young College educated whites. While just over 80% of African Americans want funding maintained or increased.
The amount of unarmed people shot by police in America is tiny, given the population,the crime levels, etc etc.
It's quite an achievement.
You're the one that made the comparison FFS.
Here is a usa news report with the video. A split second call on the officer's part, in a maze of high shelves with an injured person at his feet.. i feel sorry for the poor little girl and the officer here
Edit https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HyIGtuRIers
Footage is released. Police man with rifle takes point from less well armed officers at scene and enters mall. Reference made to badly injured victim on floor then video cuts off. Seems like chaos. Non gun found on perp but the info phoned in,some suggested a gun. Some commentators say a richocet from the floor entered the changing room.
One may say a rifle was too much but recall the footage from Vienna last year, with the pistol armed police being forced back and wounded by the rifle armed terrorist
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