It is effective as the numbers in hospital show
Or because the virus is less deadly as its in an endemic phase now.
If it was effective I don't think Ireland would be adding restrictions when the country is 94% vaccinated, that was NPHET basically admitting that the vaccines don't work.
The vaccine demonstrably reduces hospitalisations and deaths. It does not eliminate infections or transmission.
Again the numbers in hospital suggest it is effective
Nope they suggest the virus is endemic, countries around the world with low vaccination rates are having the same outcome which indicates its less about the vaccine and more about the virus itself.
So what's the benefit of forcing players to take it? The only logic is to stop transmission but if the vaccine doesn't do that then the one argument you could make for it is defeated.
That’s that so, bloke on internet knows the truth. We can all wrap up, it was enjoyable while it lasted but the hoax is up.
I mean, that’s just not true tho, is it.
Nah I'm just using my common sense. If it was the vaccine stopping hospital admissions and not the virus being in an endemic stage then the countries with low hospitalisation rates would still have huge hospitalisation rates in comparison to the the countries with high vaccination rates. Ill probably open a can of worms saying this so all ill say on this matter are those experts who claim the vaccines are keeping hospitalisations down are the same experts who are profiting from vaccines sales...isnt that conflict of interests there? Wouldnt be taking their word for it on anything of this nature especially when plenty of experts out there would dont have these same connections claim the opposite and claim the pandemic is in an endemic stage.
What's Romania's excess death rate this year compared to the last 5 years?
I ask that because it seems to be an exception that proves the rule which makes me think does Romania have a problem with their population that leads to them having a higher death rate when other countries seem to get through it?
I know this was the case with Iran at the start of the pandemic and was a reason why they specifically were so much more susceptible to dying from covid than their neigbours as quite a high proportion had issues when it came to breathing as a result of previous wars and events that happened in the country. Same thing in Sweden as they have a very high Somali and similar communities that in their case didnt produce as much vitamin D and therefore struggled to fight off the virus where Sweden's neighbours didnt have a similar breakdown in population and therefore had a better survival rate than Sweden.
"somebody" doesn't understand the difference between STOP and REDUCE THE RATE OF.
no one ever claimed the vaccine would stop transmission or hospitalisations
Actually this was exactly what the experts claimed at the start...then they changed their tune when the vaccine ended up being a total failure. But ofcourse these people profit from vaccine sales so are unlikely to come out and admit this.
If the vaccine does stop transmission or hospitalisations then it shouldn't be forced on people without consent (and no, treating someone with dismissal or bribing them or blackmailing them is NOT consent.). I find it very discomforting seeing how governments in the west are acting in regards to the vaccine especially when they havent done these measures for any other virus in history.
Very, very high, since you ask.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/deaths-50-above-normal-bulgaria-eus-least-vaccinated-country-eurostat-2021-11-16/
In a shocking turn of events, the guys who's a clueless angry contrarian about all things rugby is also a clueless angry contrarian about all things Covid.
Whodathunkit
No you didnt read my question correctly, compare Romania's death rate to the previous 5 years ie over a 12 month period not just 1 month.
Ah personal insults now, except im not clueless in fact I know exactly what im talking about, in fact I think you are the clueless one when it comes to talking about covid consider A. You couldnt read my comment correctly and B. You have to resort to insults so soon into a discussion.
**** this. This isn't Zebo vs Kearney, this is 24,000 dead people that you're just shrugging off. Think about that. It's sub-human.
This entirely.
It’s one thing saying Andy Farrell has no balls and calling people dips*ts.
When it veers into anti-vax, and writing off thousands dead, it’s reckless and callous.
Well what is Romania's excess death rate compared to the previous 5 years?
Yeah, nah. I'll leave it at that. Better things to do with my time!
Answer the question, what is Romania's death rate compared to the previous 5 years? And I mean over a 12 month period.
No its not anti vac its asking a logical question. This 24,000 death rate doesnt appear to be correlated in other countries with similar or lower vaccination rates which leads me to believe its potentially something unique to Romania, that's why I wanted to know their excess death rate compared to previous years, not over a 12 month period. I say this because if it was down to the low vaccination rate why arent a large portion of people dying now during the virus season? Surely if it was down tot he vaccine rates we would see evidence of this during the winter month but in reality the rate isnt much different than during the summer time in Romania which tells me its just the sign of a virus thats endemic.
"Yeah, nah" exactly, there arent any benefits, we found common ground at least.
Why don't you answer it?
Not my job, Im not the one who made the Romania comparison. Look it up yourself, you never know you might learn something new today.
Looks like Eurostat already have.
Why, why, why, do people keep responding to him. How many threads has he derailed?
It doesn’t matter what you post, what facts you include. How much good faith you argue in. It makes no difference, so why bother?
Its a discussion thread, if you dont like it ignore the conversation or dont open the thread.
Only see data from Jan 2020 till now, I need data for 2016-2019 in a similar breakdown in order to compare.
Don't open the rugby thread incase someone has derailed it with anti vax nonsense?
How is this crap allowed into this thread?
And also getting back to the point you have Slovakia, Slovenia, Poland, Hungary, Greece to name just 5 who have similar rate of vaccination -all in the 40 to 65 %, as in slight above or slight less than half the populations of each country- and yet none have the same rate of death as Romania do, in fact not even close to it so shouldnt that tell you that maybe there is more to this than meets the eye?
What's anti vax about what I said? That's just being lazy now. Also this is discussing the new rules France has for rugby matches which is rugby related if you paid attention.
By definition that means being opposed to vaccination which I never said I was, what I'm opposed to are governing bodies basically forcing people to take something. Its already been pointed out the vaccine doesn't stop transmission so why should it be forced on someone, if its soul purpose is to save that individuals life then surely it should be souley down to that individual weather they should take it or not and not some organisation?
