Joe Brolly is a tool at the best of times. According to him, he is always right.
So, he mentioned the BA machine-gunning people to death, but where exactly did this happen? Was he talking about Bloody Sunday? They didn't use machine guns.... just saying.
So, if he can get away with using overly provocative language can we say that nationalists in the North were more interested in blowing up children and babies than reaching a peaceful settlement with Unionists?
What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander.
When all else fails, deflect.
Wow, miss the point then prove the point. Well done.
You wouldn't know, Blanch. You weren't there. It is evident as always.
Didnt they kill a child in his bed,in belfast, with machine gun fire,while bringing in internment??
Wasnt a machine gun lost in a riot in coalisland in 1995 after being fired into a crowd,injuring one??,i distintly remember reading this in a paper
To name,but 2 off top of my head
Quite a bizzare outtake to avoid any introspection or care about what went on and way nationlists were treated in 6 counties.....quite facist and dehumanising to play it all down as good for goose,as good for gander really....but sure double down away to avoid any/all introspection
The charge is that 'British Soldiers were machine-gunning people to death', as if it actual policy and a regular thing.
Now, we know it wasnt a) policy or b) a regular thing
In fact the British Army were welcomed with open arms by both Nationalists AND the IRA.... but lets not mention that fact... LOL
Now, getting to the nub of what Joe was saying that people in the south were 'blaming' nationalists in the north for their predicament is both ahistorical and just plain wrong. It is just ahistorical rubbish.
You set the criteria and added the "as if". Nobody claimed it was 'policy' or a 'regular thing'. Why are you bending the facts to defend the BA? They murdered civilians.
Everyone welcomed the BA because they thought they would uphold law and order and protect the Catholic community. Too busy throwing out the LOL's to use the context.
Maybe Joe is commenting on how FF/FG left the people up north to work it out among themselves, one side aided by the BA naturally.
Every 'terrorist' organisation on the planet combined, pale in comparison to the BA's rich history.
He didnt charge that,or claim it to be policy...why are you lying?
Just pointed put facts....your entire post is based on entirely false premise and either or concious lie,or your utter delusional,possibly drunk given its xmas time
But they do,certain clown posters on this site as recently as few weeks ago were claiming nationlists/ira were to blame for the violence,when in reality the majority of ira had no choice but to be spurned into existance to defend their communities.....
.its quite simply the vast majprity or people are unaware of what went on,and conduct of security forces in the north and we rightly critise british for not knowing their history.....while we have a media that glossed over unquiet graves and barely coveres the miami showband payout,and completly ignored the progress of the sean brown murder case,which his family been blaggarded with a generation now
He is bending the facts because he is part of the orthodoxy Brolly is talking about.
He WILL NOT EVER countenance the fact that ultimately it was the British who were responsible. He WILL NOT blame the Unionists for the 80 years of sectarian bigoted rule
Now ask yourself who he routinely blames and holds to account.
😁😁 Another denier getting caught out.
It wasn't a policy for the average army unit some 30,000 of them but it was certainly a policy for some secret army units like the MRF who apart from their main task of tracking down and killing IRA members they would also use Thompson submachine guns (back then the weapon of choice for the IRA) to shoot crowds of both catholics and protestant civilians shootings which would then be blamed on the IRA thus draining their support and also diverting them from their war against the state and into a sectarian conflict. t
After it was destroyed by the IRA the MRF then became 14 intelligence company which ran agents like Robin Jackson who was thought to be responsible for an estimated 150 murders all of them entirely innocent Catholics bar one or two, in the Netflix documentary on the Miami showband killings the documentary and the survivors claim the intelligence services were using the loyalist paramilitaries as proxies to commit murder and bombings to achieve their political aims.
It claims the intelligence services done the high profile attacks like the Dublin Monaghan bombings and Miami showbamd killings to get the Republic to seal off the border between the Republic and Northern Ireland in an attempt to limit IRA activity around the border.
It's funny I was watching the new Netflix documentary about the Miami showband the other night and the survivor talks about the man who was in charge of the operation that day that he had a ''very crisp very posh English accent'' it was claimed that this man was captain Robert Nairac a high ranking officer of 14 intelligence company and he was overseeing the operation, although files claim he was elsewhere at the time it could have been a similar officer with a similar position.
Another similar thing happened in the kingsmill massacre, when the ''IRA'' shot ten civilians, the lone survivor of that massacre also claimed the man in charge of the operation had a very crisp and posh English accent, both very similar operations fake checkpoints, paramilitaries pretending to be the British army.
We only know about the man with the English accent at kingsmill because one of the victims survived despite being shot something like 20 times.
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That made me laugh, the ''kingsmill enquiry found nothing'' as with nearly every inquiry in the history of the Troubles concerning British intelligence/Army/state murder.
Well, give me an example of soldiers machine gunning people to death.
Yes, there were people killed by pistols, rifles and rubber bullets, but give examples of those who were machine gunned to death in the North.
Are you trying to say that the PIRA was not responsible for Kingsmill?
The continual rewriting of history is obnoxious.
blanch deflects as usual.
I find invariable, that those on this forum who seem to support the side that imposes itself on the side that was fighting to free itself, usually have no idea what your last paragraph means nor have any idea how nationalists were treated (or more correctly, what it was like to be treated in that way).
what went on was more than politics and it's effects were more intrusive that the cost of electricity or petrol going up in the budget. there are those - and this **** bugs me - who don't know the subject matter they are debating and compare it to the relatively normal political system they themselves grew up under.
Why don't you watch this documentary, the MRF was a secret army unit made up of special forces and soldiers hand picked from across the army, it was tasked with tracking down and killing suspected IRA members, they also went around machine gunning crowds of people in catholic areas, it dissolved after the IRA found their hideouts and ambushed them, it later became 14 intelligence company it was at this point when the unit began to use loyalists to carry out their dirty work rather than army units.
Majella O Hare 12 years old South Armagh 1976 killed by a British soldier with a machine gun . There are many more. I have been reading your posts for years and can only wonder what kind of sad person you are that continually demonises Irish people that have stood up for their people and their country .
the british army were indeed welcomed by both sides until they took the side of the sectarian government and loyalist paramilitaries and started attacking nationalists, for which they did use machine guns on a number of occasions to engage in mass slaughter.
In the event of United Ireland do you reckon the CTA might end with the mainland UK? (whatever is left of it by that point)
Dont get sucked into the rather disgusting trap of throwing names of dead around to win "points" in a general debate.......
its an utterly revolting tactic on behalf of partionists and belies very low moral standreds,the fact it has entered our political discourse says enough about standred of politians here.....
the fake innocence around claim brits werent machine gunning people is only an attempt to drag yous into the gutter with em
Also should be noted the tactic of ignoring the main point to pick a remark out and drill into it to distract and turn the debate away.
Joe Brolly made a good analysis. And the partitionist element on here are a great example of what he was talking about.
Bernadette McAliskey following up on Brolly's comments last night and speaking of what we in the south effectively did.
'They blinded themselves', to what was happening is a fair summation of what happened. And to this day they don't like being made to look.
In relation the the Dublin Monaghan bombings the Barron report noted that the Fine Gael/Labour government of the time "showed little interest in the bombings" and did not do enough to help the investigation. "When information was given to them suggesting that British intelligence were involved in the bombing, this was not followed up". It failed to put political pressure on the British government to secure better co-operation from the RUC. It was also alleged that the Fine Gael/Labour government caused or allowed the Garda investigation to end prematurely, for fear that the findings would play into the hands of republicans, the investigating team into the bombing was disbanded after just two months allegedly by political interference.
Whatever the investigation was finding the FG government of the time realised the findings would not do them any favours.
It was also alleged that the Fine Gael/Labour government caused or allowed the Garda investigation to end prematurely, for fear that the findings would play into the hands of republicans, the investigating team into the bombing was disbanded after just two months allegedly by political interference.
And thats why they show little interest in a UI today. Shinner focused self preservation.
Good start to 2022, Unionism revealing it's fears and it's tendency to supremacy. I think a few partitionists have expressed the same feelings here.
Ah, well as long as they didn’t use machine guns, that’s alright then !
We down here left them up there that’s why it’s been bedlam since the treaty
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