Unbelievable stuff.
It’s the truth, though. One side was fighting because they were sick of being oppressed, the other side we’re fighting because they felt they had some natural superiority or god given right to oppress the other.
This will literally always lie at the heart of conflicts like The Troubles and others like it. If the root cause of the conflict is that one side wants power over the other and is willing to use force to maintain it, that side will literally always be the “worse” side, regardless of what either side does in furtherance of its aims. One side is rotten to its core because it’s aims themselves are fundamentally evil and immoral by any reasonable standard. Both sides did evil things, only one side was fighting for an evil cause.
Fighting for dominance will always be more scummy than fighting for freedom. Always. Anyone who fights for dominance is fundamentally a vile human being who believes themselves better than those they are fighting against. It’s that simple.
You have really proven my point with that post above. There seems to be a lot of mental gymnastics on the part of many SF supporters. It is true, diehard republicans like the pantomime of Republican funerals.
In my opinion it is less about commemorating ‘the fallen’. But playing to the gallery making a political point to those in ‘the shadows’ in SF. That much is obvious to me.
It is not so long ago that MLMD gave the customary ‘tiocfaidh ar la’ at the finish of an oration in honour of Sean Russell - at Fairview Park - Dublin. It was before MLMD was anointed SF - ROI leader. The implication was clear and obvious to all. Passing of the torch - and deep down resentment towards the ROI.
Yet David Cullnane got chastised by MLMD when he used the same troubles ‘béarlachas phrase (along with other IRA slogans) During the GE.
Reading between the lines it is no longer the ‘done thing’ if SF want more votes in the ROI.
And the party in general I find them fascinating to watch. As they are in transition.
Eventually SF will normalise themselves as political party but it could take 30 years as the ‘old guard’ fade away.
It has to be done slowly though. SF changing their stance on the SCC is an example of slow change only when it is politically expedient.
If I recall in the last GE MLMD was adamant on the anti SCC line.
But obviously after a few SF behind the scenes meetings she got ‘the OK’ to change tact. In the hope of getting more votes in the ROI. At the expense of losing a few minority of the hardliners support - mostly from NI.
It was a shrewd move IMO. It is another example of SF’s dual strategy. Entertaining to watch it play out as no other party has to do so much internal squirming based on a political ideology.
SF basically has two different menus one for NI and one for the ROI.
My guess it will be 20/30 years before this is normalised and SF don’t have to have two different speeches for every strategic move depending on whether it made in the ROI or NI.
I think its a great idea. Anything that helps. Stops absolute scumbags cashing in on the panic.
No doubt some gig promoter in Saudi got the contract.
Free antigen tests are a very bad idea.
A headline grabbing, populist stunt, but a very bad idea. Why am I not surprised?
Ya mate,FG are really simialar....the dublin leadership really represent their rural members🤣a member of fg in the old dungarvan council used put up ira members on the run during troubles and the fg members about here attend easter/hunger commerations.....wonder if any of its dublin leadership were upset to see beal na blaith stopped over covid😅
People are allowed commerate their past,and to remember their murdered comrades,many of them literaly give their lives under guidence of senior sf members,without being regarded as tying in knots....they just arent going to let people remember the past one-sided and present a sophistory version of troubles (like present british government wants to).......hence why yous get people simply screaming abuse about the old sniper at work pictures/pins as it represents a really diffiucult issue for em....an ira campaign which forced the british off the ground for extended periods and entirley killed security force members.....cant have public examine the conflict beyond a superficial level and find out what actually went on
The bit that annoys me about SF is they tie themselves in knots. Wanting to ‘move on’ from their past yet are very quick to fall back to reminding the hardliners of it - mostly those in NI and the border counties.
Personally I don’t view SF as a real all Ireland/all island party. The SF party from NI behaves differently to the party in the ROI.
In NI and those from near there we invariably see the Real SF- glorification of the ‘Troubles SF’. Less talk of normal politics.
In the ROI we see SF lite one given a much softer image. One where other issues are placed front and centre. In order to achieve the main goal unification but by a populist ‘giveaway’ agenda.
It is fascinating to watch because no other party in ROI/NI has such blatant two faces of the same party. Both literally and metaphorically.
The next decade will certainly be an interesting one.
It's a simplistic (2nd hand?) view peddled by your mentor and then passed on by your good self.
The points made are no revelations. Political party talks themselves up shocker.
I think killing someone is a pretty brash enough statement.
Adams was disrespectful IMO. I do not believe the outrage you are labouring over here for the last weeks TBH.
It wasn't Slugger that wrote that, have a look again.
The slightly dim comprehension (apprehensive?) level applies as he says to Sinn Fein that are rubbing people's noses in it with their complete disregard for victims.
Your prophet slugger seems to be at slightly dim teenage apprehension level.
He's saying SF are talking themselves and the IRA up. Hold the phone! Breaking revelations.
Do you know a political party behaves any differently? I don't. We've Mick Collins used and abused for his dashing butchery and calls for a commemoration for the black and tans from other quarters.
I honestly don't know any party who say's, 'Now to be fair the competition are grand lads. Sure give them a vote'. Or an army that says, 'TBF, we shouldn't have killed those lads, trying to kill us'.
This is all news to you?
I'd find it terribly bizarre if SF start bad mouthing either themselves or the IRA.
Based on available facts. I did not include what I think may have happened and try pass it off as fact.
A fair and balanced opinion on the actions of the two sectarian extremes (SF and TUV/DUP) in Northern Ireland. In relation to this thread, this extract is particularly apt:
"You see, by glorifying the IRA or having a cheap laugh at the fact they existed via lines such as the above, Sinn Féin are creating a hierarchy of victims. How? Because in shouting “UP THE RA”, in reminding us of what they said about the ‘RA 26 years ago, and by celebrating their cherished “volunteers” who were involved in blowing civilians to pieces or burning them alive, they are implying that IRA murderers were somehow more virtuous than those from “the other side”, and thus that their actions and the deaths they led to were not as abhorrent."
A very myopic view of the world.
Think Eoin's chance of a ministerial position if Sinn Fein ever get into government is now gone. Disloyalty like that will never be forgiven.
Next election all the party's efforts will go into Ward in Dublin Mid-West.
Ok….. got that .
Seems to me he didn't like what Adams did and spoke out. Others in SF defended Adams.
Don't see anything more to it.
Hmmm….. trying to figure that post out Bee, having some difficulty……… bit dense for this poster.
But hey….that’s life
Why would they? What would you have Eoin do, repeat what he already said? Do you think if SF are the way you paint it the like of Eoin wouldn't know? Doesn't add up mo chara.
Still very strange that Eoin has not been heard on any media outlet I have seen or heard for some time.
I would be very surprised if there wasn’t a lot of talking in the background as the various ‘wings’ organise themselves.
Would be surprised if anyone stuck their head over the parapet and criticized any of the auld ‘war horses’ anytime soon.
They should have seen who is really in charge by now.
haven’t gone away.
Silenced? Hardly. If they closed his branch down, that would be sinister.
All we know is what I said. He criticised Adams. Seems like a fair thing to me. You lads trying to make some conspiracy will keep youse busy anyway.
You made up a weird silly lie and have been embarrassing yourself for days.
I think it was disrespectful. People died for that cause. If I'd a family member gave their life I'd be pissed off with him. I've no time for the faux outrage from the 'murder travellers' pack in government though. Weeks talking about Adams, ner a peep about one of their own tweeting about killing travellers.
Well, no, you are out of step here. Mary Lou, our friend from Waterford and Matt Carthy have all lined up to say Adams did nothing wrong, and poor Eoin is out on the naughty step and silenced. Be careful you don't end up there as well, you know what they are like.
It's not, she wants them distributed through schools to those who need them i.e. people with symptoms.
It is a stupid idea.
Why should adams be sorry for singing xmas carols??
Liberials great saving plan for ireland is to remind people of sf "past".....they lean into it and all of sudden,its wrong to remember the past?
FF in the 1930s had people actively assisting people in the north (and breaking up blueshirt meetings)
....if your wanting to diverge from party policy,why would they remain within the party,such policies breed greed...i wouldnt join a party i disagreed with
I dont think the ex-provos have too much to "be sorry" for over a 30 odd year campaign......more and more info comes out weekly as regards the depth of collusion and what faced nationlists in the north....aspiring and driving for a utd ireland and defending your community is nothing to back away from....cullinanes apology around last election party speech,gives a v.good highlight of how people tend to view the troubles
I never said you did. Either quote me doing so or just give it up.
All I said was...
As regards EOB, he rightly called out Adams. A councillor disagreed with EOB. Not much more to it. As regards looking like they are 'sorry'. Its on Adams IMO.
I never said it was only SF that voted against the development. I said the development only passed because FF FG and the Greens. Plus I gave a further clarification what I mean in case you did not understand my point that there was NO divergence in the voting from the SF councillors (on the development of the Oscar Traynor site) they all voted in one bloc.
I get the impression that you only see what you wish to see. And say what you are told to say?
Phrases such as 'civil war party think tank' is attempt to mask the fact that it is very rare there is divergence of opinion in SF. Which comes back to my point on the housing. No diverange a clear strategy.
How often does divegange is SF strategy seep into the public domain.
Also can you not look at your own comment objectively and see that you seem to want other parties to accept SF - warts and all. Yet you expect SF not to change at all because it is who they are? Can you not see the incongruence of the statement. And dare I use a favoured word from NI politics - intransigence?
SF are clever enough to know they HAVE to change in order to be a more palatable constitutional party 'down south'. FF when through the same change moving on from that militant SF.
And SF are trying to follow that old FF play book. They have even copied much of the FF political manifesto in the last GE - to get seats in the dail.
But it is different for them in the 2020's then it was for FF in the 1930's. FF had no foothold in NI so did not have to play to hardline NI republicans.
Eoin O'Brion is asute enough to know by going against the SF old guard - it distances him from the shady past that hardliners like you are 'proud of'. Days when SF did not recognise the state they now wish to run - shot Gardai, maimed. murdered and robbed banks. Were anti EU and inward looking.
EOB knows that SF have to move on from the likes of Gerry Adams. And at least look like they are 'sorry'. So the likes of Gerry Adams et al - will not undo years of creating an image of a less historically soiled, younger, and more progressive SF.
My friend, you are digging a hole for yourself.
where have I ‘taken the piss out of her because of her weight”
Now there are things I will accept and things I won’t accept and the latter is posters attributing
sentiments to me that have no basis in fact
So I intend to report your. post to the authorities and let’s see how it all pans out.
Where is this “misogyny’ you post about Mr B
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