Thats the root of it. FF/FG are afraid of what a UI will do to the political landscape. The couldn't give a fiddlers about nationalists or unionists or anyone else.
This is exactly the thing that scares the up to now comfy power swappers.
They don't want reform, the broken systems of the country suit them. They'll scaremonger big numbers if you suggest fixing them.
Federal nonsense. We are a relatively small island with a small population, smaller than plenty of cities in the uk. A united Ireland would end partition, not rename it.
Polls suggest it.
Good polls, bad polls time again.
Northern Ireland is larger than Luxembourg, Malta, Cyprus, Estonia and Latvia, all independent members of the EU.
Cool. I thought you were thinking posters were saying it would be easy.
I'm not on board with your exclusionary view of a UI, which isn't a UI. Also you should be open minded to those of us who seek a Celtic union of Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Bring back Brehon law. Tunics compulsory for all TD's.
Personally I'm counting the days to Ireland, Scotland, Wales and France taking it in turns to veto Englands application to join the EU.
I think blanch may have been referring to a post of mine.
Where i speculate that if NI voted for a UI, there may be no requirement for a similar referendum here in RoI; providing we don't change the constitution.
And if it's a case whereby the RoI simply extends it's jurisdiction across the 6, with no change to our flag for example, it's possible we can do this without a referendum since a UI is already assumed in the Constitution. I'd be curious to read others opinion of the requirements for referendum on this.
The GFA mentions consent in both jurisdictions, but so long as a majority of TD's approve of a UI, and we don't impinge the constitution by changing the flag, then that meets the consent requirement here in RoI.
I speculated that maybe we will have a referendum and it will be a Choose Your New Flag type question.
I've not seen anyone claim it would be easy. Thats why I asked for quotes.
If we are obliged to hold one, fine. I just think its adding further insult to the Irish we left and pretended to forget about.
I think the real issue is that blanch is probably worried that he won't get the opportunity to try and scare UI voters away if we don't get a referendum. Indeed looking at SF's rise and rise must be disconcerting for him.
Thats what its all about.
If you want to put a Celtic union on the table, go ahead, I am not exclusionary.
It is quite interesting the reaction to a federal Ireland idea, the exclusionary nationalists getting up on high horses to say it can't work.
Since we already know that NI is not capable of financially floating itself, can you tell us how a separate NI parliament and civil service, in a federal ireland is going to be paid for?
Its one thing for people to agree to put their hand in pocket for a UI, with the hope that one day the 6 will cease to be a financial burden, but it's quite another thing, to ask them to pay for a separate NI parliament.
I thought that the UK subsidy was just a myth put forward by us partitionists, and that waving a magic wand would get rid of it.
Are you now telling me that in fact the rest of the UK does massively subsidise Northern Ireland, and that in a united Ireland that burden would fall on the South?
You can't have it both ways.
We already addressed the UK subsidy and found it was mostly pensions, of which the British government would most likely have to pay for, just like they do with other British expats that live in other jurisdictions.
I'm not sure how much it costs to run the NI Assembly, but that's a major source of duplication of resources that is redundant.
Care to actually answer the question blanch?
You propose a Federal Ireland where the 6 counties have a separate Parliament. How do you suggest paying for that?
Last I checked, they were already paying for a parliament in Stormont. How much extra do you think it might cost?
They who? The people in NI?
They don't nearly pay for the costs of running the British sectarian statelet.
Contradicting yourself there.
If the UK subsidy is not paying for Northern Ireland, and the people in Northern Ireland aren't either, then who the hell is?
Reading comprehension isn't your strong point is it.
So basically what we can conclude here, is that blanch's idea of a Federal Ireland that includes a separate Parliament for NI is not remotely costed, that he has absolutely no idea of how it might be funded, that's he's really just here to throw any spanner he possibly can imagine, in order to frustrate the inevitable march to a UI.
I think an appropriate moniker here is Barbara J. Pym
Well you are not making yourself clear, and in fact keep tripping over yourself with contradictions.
The Oireachtas cost €135m in 2020 to run. We could reduce that bill and use savings to pay for an increased Stormont. It's really a hill of beans in terms of the cost of a federal Ireland.
You might want to think of a more robust objection to the idea.
My issue would be people stole into a new jurisdiction that was created by a minority to service a minority. Add to that a people being oppressed and denied democracy, seeking a UI and as it finally looks like a possibility being called 'exclusionary' for not wanting a non-UI option. Its silly quiet frankly.
Its a UI or not. We have Ulster divided. A continuation under another type is not a UI.
My reaction to the federal idea is that it smells like people opposed to a UI looking to steal it. Neither unionists nor nationalists was a federal set up. So what percentage of people do you think you are speaking for here?
Is it a case of 'if we can't keep partition, we'll take something else rather than a UI?'?
Either way, its a sour grapes anti Irish nation pipe dream.
that ultimately doesn't matter.
the fact is an independent NI is not going to happen nor is it on the table or wanted, and it has already been shown not to work, as it was effectively independent until the desolution of stormont in the 70s.
it's over blanch, the options are a UI or the status quo and a UI is the most likely as it has more to offer then the status quo ever will.
that would be hard given the exclusionary nationalists don't exist, but are a creation of yours.
a federal ireland means more layers of government, more burocracy and more taxes to pay for it, higher then a UI would ever bring.
not worth the bother for a tiny country and hardly anyone wants it.
The latest episode of the Eamon Dunphy Stand podcast (1301) is an interview with Eamonn McCann about paths to a UI, also touching on the possibility of SF Taoiseach and First Minister.
What Brolly is talking about is evident here on boards.ie too... the nationalists should have just lain down and waited for the British and Unionists to be democrats undercurrent in some contributions.
Soldiers machine gunning people to death?
Yes . Are you that blind or so stupid that you think it didn't happen ?
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