The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.
Apologies for continuing my rant.
But today he is parked in the fast charger bay. ..... and he is not connected.
Can you just disconnect someone using the fast charger?
Earlier today someone was reversed up on the path where I was standing trying to connect .
But I see he got a present on the windscreen.
In terms of ecoexpress I have seen them at 50kW chargers in the middle of the day Apparently each van is it's own business and possibly drivers have no ability to home charge and no depot as such. They have some link to an post, but spending over 45 minutes (which I have seen them do), sitting in the van in the middle of a work day seems a crazy use of valuable time at peak delivery period. As suggested even with a depot the driver may not have a second vehicle. It just seems badly designed particularly if an overnight charge does not last a single day. Taking over a 1 hour lunch break and paying 5 euro overstay in addition to relatively expensive charging fees for a relatively big battery seems like bad business when they could potentially deliver 20 more parcels than going out of their way to find a charger.
I know if I ever had to charge there (most unlikely), I wouldn't be paying for any parking, I'd simply be sat there waiting for the car to charge, and if I saw the parking warden coming I'd either be gone, or then throw a few yoyo's into teh parking machine...
Rogersons quay has to be the second most stupid place Anna has put chargers, second only to Blanch SC.
Carnmore and Rogerson's quay would make that 15 sites with multiple units. Rogerson's quay and the port are not 150kW or greater, and frankfield has a single 150kW unit so there's 14 sites with 150kW+ units. Units in total is probably 17 given mayfield.
📌 Circle K Frankfield, Kinsale Road, Cork, T12 Y1YY
⚡ This site includes a 150kW Delta double sided charger (two CCS and two CHAdeMO connectors).
They must be space limited on this site that they chose that layout. If they had space they would surely have kept the 50kW unit and added this new 150kW unit.... i.e. same as Rochestown.
This dual side, single unit setup isnt a great layout, but its an improvement I suppose.
Chat on Facebook is they were originally for slow chargers for Dublin smart cities but was given to ESB... Who butchered it.
So the John Rogerson's Quay has 2 X 22kw as well as 2 X 50kw. So in theory 2 cars who are in the area for a while can both draw off the 22kw for 4 or 5 hours meaning the "quick" charge function is redundant.
Why bother putting 22kw on these chargers?
Also is it pay parking there also? Double whammy if you need a charge.
How many 150kW does that make in total?
I'm hoping Carnmore is not Oranmore in disguise...
So frankfield won't be a hub as promised?
Further hub locations planned include:
Oranmore, Co Galway
Lahey, Co Donegal
Rochestown, Co Cork
Frankfield, Co Cork
Blanchardstown Centre, Co Dublin
Ballysimon, Co Limerick
https://www.esb.ie/ecars/our-network/network-upgrades
eCars facebook page today
ESB ecars
18 mins ·
📣 We have been working hard to get the following three charging sites live before Christmas. You can find them at the following locations:
📌 Glynns Service Station, Carnmore, Galway, H91 W9KH (less than 1km from Galway Airport)
⚡ There is one high power charger (150kW) and one fast charger (50kW) available at this location.
📌 Sir John Rogerson’s Quay, Dublin Docklands
⚡ At this site you will find two 50kW chargers (two CCS, two CHAdeMO connectors and two 22kW sockets).
⚡ We are also happy to announce that the ground markings at the site at Circle K/Centra in Rochestown, Cork have been completed.
📱 See our full charging network on our 'ecar connect' app (available on the App Store and Google Play) or our real-time map: https://esb.ie/ecars/charge-point-map
This is like throw back Wednesday, back to 2016 when good people ended up nit picking over trivial charging etiquette, all because e-cars let the network go to ruin and has since failed to provide a suitable network.
I would think that all the posters on this particular page (182) are knowledgeable ev advocates and the conversation regarding access to chargers and second guessing over charging times of LDV vans is only happening because of e-cars & government failings.
Scarcity of chargers is the problem, the easiest thing to do is blame (or unplug) the abandoned leaf, taxi who insists on charging to 100% or the courier company who for some reason seem to be dependent on a not fit for purpose charging infrastructure.
Maybe some day e-cars may read this thread and use the information, ideas, criticism and positive feedback to make the paradigm shift needed to power us into the future.
Meanwhile they are probably high fiving themselves over the recent Blanch project …
Carnmore Cross, Galway 150kW online now, not sure if it's still in testing.
50kW still offline
I would be more than 2 days charging at one of the stupid low ecars AC chargers
A stiff whisky probably more in order. But yeah, it doesnt charge at 16a continuous as theres tapering at the end so I'd say arriving at ~10% and going to "charge complete" would take 16 to 18 hours. Now as a disclaimer I've no idea what their onboard AC charger is. Could be 16a three phase, 32a single /triple phase or the 16a I mentioned.
In fairness though if he arrived then at 0%, he was well entitled to a pint afterwards!!!
It absolutely is.
56kWh pack, only 16a onboard charger. 3.3kW, would take exactly 17 hours (and that's excluding slow down at the top for tapering and balancing)
It is not possible to be actively charging for 17 hours.
It looks like it is an LDV EV80
With a 56 kW battery range 120km
Yep another Ecars fúck-up to put AC on the same unit....the story goes on.
Honestly, they can't do almot anything right at this stage. It's our and EU money they're using and it's a real shíshow.
How much is the AC plug giving and how much is the car pulling? Even at 3 kW, I can't see them charging 17 hours...
Putting AC plugs on the DC units is a fatal mistake, for sure. AC should be a back-up NEXT to the DC unit not ON the same unit.
Time to bring in per minute charges. Fixes the issue immediately.
If you see 3rd party resellers like Plugsurfing etc. most chargers they facilitate have already per minute charge kicking in after certain period of time.
Not if he's actively charging, it's not hogging. We need to get away from this idea that EVs shouldnt be charging. Hogging is only if parked for a long time not charging. Or charging past 45 minutes on DC
They’ve even announced themselves that they are ditching fast AC so therefore AC (of any kind) has no business being remotely close to a DC unit, let alone sharing a space with a DC charger.
It is, regardless of whatever argument you might hear to the contrary. Overnight is one thing. Still pulled in early morning is another.
And as I've mentioned lots before, AC charging on those 50kW units is blocking are least some cars from DC charging. It's a cop out from ecars. Inflated numbers at the expense of user experience.
If he is plugged in at 17:25 yesterday and still there at 10:30 this morning.. That is 17 hours..
Is that not hogging?
I dont see why a company which has already invested in EV vans (substantially more expensive than the ICE equivalent, I know, I'm looking at a replacement for my van) wouldnt invest an additional 1-2k on 2 7kW chargers at their depot for overnight. You get 100% ACCA for it so it's all tax deductible in year 1.
They aren't hogging, they are a customer using a service. A customer that is far more useful for the charging provider than someone who uses the network sparsely.
Networks scale with usage not with avoidance.
It's an awful pity eCars said they are not installing any new AC chargers!!!! Would be ideal for the above scenario.
AC chargers would seem like fairly low hanging fruit. Cheap units and reasonably easy to connect up....
These lads bring back memories of the early leaf taxis that treated sandyford and templeville road as their private chargers. Think there was another lad in Clontarf too…
Its a pity they can’t just add chargers to suit the demand, it’s not like there’s climate chaos or any other life changing issues at stake…
Too few chargers being made ‘unavailable’ to those who may need them only has a negative effect.
EcoXpress popped up earlier in the thread.
In Arklow,
last night they occupied both bays in Castle Park. One is charging since 17:17 yesterday evening and it is still connected at 09:30 this morning. He/she must have decided to have a lie in.
It seems great to have a green delivery option. But it doesn't seem right to hog the chargers.
