It's not really a secret that the crime scene was contaminated is it?
The Garda did a terrible job; several people were let through, Byrnes log has discrepancies, Shirley Foster was able to drive to the dump and back etc..
What I cannot accept, is that Bailey somehow sneaked in unnoticed or whatever foster is trying to say. It's implausible.
Bailey didn't return specifically to contaminate the scene,
he returned as a reporter, but may have contaminated it in doing so.
There's a big difference between being at the scene before and after a murder.
How do you contaminate a scene just by being there, other than footprints... especially a place you might have been to recently for innocent reasons.
Not adding up to me.
For Bailey returning to 'contaminate' the scene to make sense he would have had to be certain he would get access to it
"gardaí would probably have been getting a sense of who the local suspects might be from interviewing Alfie "
You're completely correct. There was a pretence of him being a suspect but had he been arrested for questioning like Bailey the whole thing would have fallen apart. He was obviously part, big or small, of the conspiracy to cover things up.
Alfie was instantly a suspect. Can you point where I said he wasn`t? I really hope you are a young teenager for your own sake.
This operation was carried out a year before the STDP murder when a boat with undercover detectives went out from Castletownbere just down the road from Dunmanus.
"Mr Cushnahan(Fine Gael MEP) said such deliveries, "which can cross several countries need close surveillance, the tightest security and total cooperation between and within countries."
What kind of local cooperation was needed to keep this quiet? Or is a better question; How the f*ck did anybody think something like this could be kept quiet? The real point is that the Guards were prepared to carry out these kind of hare-brained schemes with the 'cooperation' of other countries (like France????) and there is no doubt that they were up against people who wouldn't think twice about killing anyone they believed to be a threat to them.
The botched investigation and the obvious framing of Bailey only points one way.
If that is the scenario you'd think Nick Foster would hold a press conference with Ian Bailey and publicly exonerate him. New books all round.
The #1 suspect would be Alfie. The closest to the murder scene. In dispute about the gate with Sophie. She is murdered at that gate. Hand bandaged. The idea that Alfie is instantly not a suspect but the person supplying the guards with suspects is ludicrous.
As ludicrous as Bailey returning to the scene secretly to "contaminate" it with his own DNA. Say now if Bailey's DNA is found on Sophie's leggings is he going to say "oh, yeah, I forgot, I went up at 11 to have a look, that's when my DNA got there"?
I still think Bailey was there earlier, but I don't think he was the one who contaminated the site, if that is indeed what happened.
I think if the site was contaminated, it was by a.n other who was allowed in or even invited in by the Guards.
This person would have been a regular visitor to area around the murder scene.
Their presence at the scene in the immediate aftermath of the murder
would have made a prosecution impossible.
So their attention then turned to stitching up Bailey.
Has it been established that Bailey visited Alfie by Christmas day? That would be surprising. There are a number of possible explanations here. The gardaí would probably have been getting a sense of who the local suspects might be from interviewing Alfie and would have told him not to reveal any details to anyone and particularly Bailey I suspect. If you are coming at it from Foster`s viewpoint you could argue that Bailey was hiding in the bushes and saw Hellen identify the body and assumed that Hellen found the body too. Bailey would probably suggest that he heard locally that Hellen made the identification and from that assumed he found the body.
It would also suggest that Bailey didn`t have a mole within the gardaí which begs the question how come he knew there was no sexual assault? Foster is rambling all over the place now as far as I can see. Reading between the lines he seems to be suggesting that Bailey was there that morning, that the gardaí either let him in to look around or realized soon afterwards that he had been there and that he contaminated the crime scene. Therefore any evidence of him found at the scene had to be discounted afterwards and there would have to have been a big garda cover up of what would have been a colossal procedural failure. I don`t buy any of this and the whole scheme would have fallen apart once Bailey had been arrested anyway. Any cover up like that would have not just involved the locals but also the forensic team.
Why are people so exercised about events of the 23rd December 1996? It's been done to death and couldn't possibly throw up information now that would lead to identifying the killer. But maybe that's precisely why it's debated ad nauseam.
Until some indication is given about the kind of undercover police activity taking place in the area at the time nothing will come out.
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There was one detail in this case that always struck me as odd.
Bailey wrote about the discovery of Sophie's body in an article in The Star dated 26th December:
"Local farmer Finbar Hellen found her body while out checking his stock"
Bailey was a friend of Alfie. Alfie's "wife" Shirley found the body. Bailey went to visit Alfie. How did he not know Shirley was the one who discovered the body???
(This is the same article in which he already knew she "was not sexually assaulted".)
If Foster wasn't putting out 'information' which only serves to muddy the waters around whether there is any useful evidence from the crime scene, how else would this be communicated to the public by the Guards? It gives the impression of a live investigation with new leads being scrutinised but somehow the Irish and French authorities want no such thing????? As long as it's firmly planted in the public imagination that the crime scene was such a disaster that there is nothing useful that can ever be gained from physical evidence, everyone will be happy with the "we'll never know" conclusion. Although we know it was that basta*d Bailey don't we?
Finbarr Hellen?
The gardai telling ian Jules had given him up is standard interrogation trick
God almighty poor Kev is starstruck.....reminds me of someone here.
Ian Bailey was interviewed tonight by Kevin Hart on "Tonight with Kev"
Full uncut interview (37mins) here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1uJ1wI6YXU
On what Shirley said about meeting Bailey in the lane on his way to the scene about 2pm
But 2 pm is not the morning, isn't Foster saying he could have been there earlier?
Yes but Shirley meeting him around 2pm would corroborate the Cassidy phone call that came at 1-40 pm. If someone else told him a couple of hours earlier, then why be secretive about it?
On what Shirley said about meeting Bailey in the lane on his way to the scene about 2pm, and Bailey's contradictory statement saying he met Shirley on Kealfada road on his way to Toormore post office ,which would not have taken him that route.
Jules telling the shopkeeper that Bailey was investigating the murder before he claimed he knew about it.
Jules' daughter saying Jules and Bailey left the house for about 2 hours that morning.
It is hard to believe that an experienced investigative journalist living less than 2 miles away from such a major crime
was not aware of it for over 3 hours.
(Edited;
to correct names)
You said a while ago that you believe Bailey was there that morning. What were you basing that on?
Like i care what you think i know about. Doesn't bother me in the slightest
By that definition was only one director in 1989 - 90 successful? Really?
Given 99 percent of people in film never even get nominated, being nominated is a success. He has 6. And the film he adapted and directed won oscars in acting roles.
If thats your definition of an also ran you dont know anything about film and this seems to be just begrudgery.
Put it on the public forum instead of pm
That's what i said very bad narrative and on camera and showing Bailey drunk was pretty pathetic
Being Oscar nominated is also ran
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