buffalo wrote: » Why are you framing it as a leisure track? Do people not use it to go to work? What even is a leisure track? When people talk about leisure cyclists, they generally mean people in lycra going for long cycles at the weekend, so are you suggesting that the track is meant for that?
buffalo wrote: » Has anybody suggested we should stop building unsegregated cycle tracks? Or pointed out that non-grade-separated pseudo-shared space is a disaster once it goes beyond light usage?
Etc wrote: » General volume of both pedestrians and cyclists is really the issue these days, it's reaching critical mass.
odyssey06 wrote: » And families and kids use it for leisurely cycles on weekends. At those times it's not a place to be trying to hit personal bests for dedicated cycling groups. Dunno why you are being so disingenuous here.
buffalo wrote: » My point is that it's a cycle track, meant for people to cycle on. Trying to frame it as some sort of family play area is disingenuous. The issue is not people cycling at speed - people cycling at speed causing a bother is a symptom of the bad design which lacks segregation, which is exacerbated by the heavy usage by both cyclists and pedestrians. Trying to blame the cyclists for cycling or the pedestrians for existing is scapegoating. We need more and better designed infrastructure for both groups.
mrcheez wrote: » That's only really an issue at the weekends or evenings. The mornings are still amazing and fairly sparse if you head out before the school kids. Get the sunrise and head up to Howth summit to complete the ritual.
odyssey06 wrote: » I don't see how 'segregated' cycling if by segregation of cyclists from pedestrians addresses the issue of its shared use by those different cyclists?
Type 17 wrote: » The section from Alfie Byrne Rd to the Wooden Bridge is not segregated at all - the area in front of Clontarf Garda Station and the car park are a disaster, with pedestrians who want to walk towards Fairview walking along the bike path. Additionally, there are potential issues at the swimming baths, the Dublin Bus/Yacht Club car park and around the car park and pumping station at the bottom of Vernon Avenue. I see many more near-misses in these areas than north of the Causeway.
odyssey06 wrote: » There are sections of it that are dedicated specifically for cycling and there's no adjacent footpaths though?
I see they've blocked cyclists cycling over the wooden bridge now.
Great way to encourage more cycling and less cars on wooden bridge... and will be particularly helpful come Spring/Summer.
Hasn't there been some accidents \ injuries from people cycling over and having a wobble? I think regular users know enough to be careful but daytrippers and that old bridge may not be a good combo...
I wonder if they could implement some sort of surfacing of the bridge to put a cycle lane in place in the car section?
They can f*ck off if they think I'm not cycling over that. No restrictions on cars of course, it is insane that they allow cars to use that bridge. Anyway there isn't enough room to wheel bikes along the sides of the bridge really.
I think it's more if someone does have a tumble the council (or port authority?) can point to the signs and say you can't sue us.
I would have thought it was better to put up WARNING signs. Leave it up to us to decide.
What's next, stop pedestrians in case they slip on the ice when the bridge is iced over? I'm certain some people have slipped there too.
It's ridiculous to put up cycling bans in this day when the whole idea is to ENCOURAGE more people to use bikes.
Regardless, I was driving by there yesterday and saw several people cycling down it...
It's as much honoured in the breach as the observance.
Yeah warning signs would make a lot more sense to me at least but maybe not to Lionez Hutzs of the world :(
there's a reason that they'd not want people cycling across the bridge, i suspect, and that's because of the way the wooden beams are laid. you could come a cropper on narrow tyres, in the same way bike tyres get caught in tram lines. i would dismount if i was on my road bike.
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Yeah exactly, same reason you shouldn't cycle on tram lines
Defo avoid the pedestrian sections as the spacing between beams seems wider, but the car section seems fine as long as you cycle down slightly criss-crossing between the beams
But a casual cyclist won’t think to do that and there’s a lot of casual cyclists down around there on Dublin bikes etc.
I've never heard of anyone being harmed cycling over there but I remember a car somehow stumbled into the water off the rocks just over the bridge recently, yet I don't hear for any calls for cars to be banned!
I grew up in Clontarf and in my teens worked in the bar in the Royal Dublin GC so was quite familiar with Bull Island. There was a lot of people driving there with that special kind of bad driving!
A Dublin Bike tyre (or any bike tyre that isn't a thin slick tyre) won't slip through those gaps... and generally speaking those that cycle with thin slick tyres tend to be fairly adept cyclists that would be able to know the risks they were taking going over that bridge.
I still think an outright ban is not the way to go... a sign cautioning users and claiming they need to take responsibility is the better option.
It will have nary an effect come the spring/summer though as people will continue cycling up to go swimming.
Ban cars from the wooden bridge and let them use the causeway, it's a f*cking sh*tshow on a nice day and the Garda often have to close it anyway, a no brainer to close it to cars
Though it would be a fair trek to lug the kitesurf equipment.. they prob just need to widen the road there if possible.
Huge project I imagine.
The tyres on Dublin Bikes are too wide to get caught in between the beams on the wooden bridge.
People are regularly calling for cars to be banned from Bull Island, and crossing the bridge. When the most recent car went into the water, the whole topic came up again.
Isn't there a golf course entrance way there though? Couldn't really see cars being banned for the oul wans to no longer be able to drive up?
Not to mention people live there of course :)
