All of that claptrap about diversity allowing our society to have broader cultural store and of range values, philosophies and knowledge systems ( whatever the fook that is meant to be) is absolutely not good for society when you start importing cultural viewpoints such as those that advocate for barbaric customs such as FGM and honour killings.
How the fook does it help our society, or any modern society, when you have a group of people that think discrimination based on sex, race or religion is exactly what we need?
Or where you start importing philosophies and ideologies that think women and girls are of lesser value and most be segregated.
Somehow I bet if someone suggested we import thousands of white rednecks from Alabama who were partial to the KKK or if we imported thousands of orthodox Jews from the West Bank there would be fooking uproar.
This is back to basic point that some younger and not so young right on liberals just don't seem to get.
Not all cultures and ideologies are equal and not all will benefit our society, a salient point some either can't get or downright refuse to countenance.
There is also an arrogance amongst some of the same proponents of all cultures and ideologies most be appreciated, in that they think their own westernised liberal culture will show all these others the errors of their ways and before you know it the misogynists and fundamenatalists will be joining them in their liberal outlook.
They just don't seem to get facts and see what has happened elsewhere.
That you can type that with a straight face without a trace of irony or self awareness and within five minutes of your post before it is astonishing to behold.
Where did I 'sound off' about Ireland? You are straw manning.
Where is the pyramid again, the one that shows that people discredit things they don't like to have to argue against. Ad hominem.
Yet you respond only to me since my first post. Tell me how you differ from any of those views, because you are yet to do so. That response is as glib and irrelevant as "we all wear different colours of socks"....... yawn.
You have got to be kidding me. You want to use these as examples (your choice) and I am showing you they have the same diversity levels as Ireland which you are sounding off about. You really are an amateur.
Sounds like you thought this through. So shortages of nurses and doctors, so recruitment overseas is needed, adding to diversity.... but..... don't let them in.
Why do you assume that they are far out of their homeland? Irish people also get arrested under terrorism legislation.
And you haven't explained how, if they committed a crime here and were arrested for it, anybody in ireland, immigration officials or gardai could know about it before the fact?
How could it be a failure? Unless you can see into the future?
My point was this -
Countries regarded as lacking in diversity are usually regarded as unhealthy by those in the minority, based upon their own standards, which shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone.
And I'm guessing your graphic was intended to counter that assertion?
Leaving aside the hubris of a think tank which describes itself as a 'fact tank', and using the same data from the same source, from the same survey, these graphics better illustrate the point I was making -
Drill down into the figures, and hey-presto, the usual self-congratulatory "lefties are great" emerges from the data presented by a think-tank organisation which regards itself as unbiased -
Global Views on Diversity, Gender Equality, Family Life, Importance of Religion | Pew Research Center
I figure that either the laws are bad or the enforcement is bad or both. There is absolutely no justification to have so many of those people here so far out of their homeland that they can result in almost 20 arrests related to islamic terrorism and probably 10 times more that went undiscovered.
Each of them was either legally here (so a failure in the immigration system) or illegally (so a failure of the enforcement of the immigration laws).
How do you figure that?
Do you think immigration officials and gardai are psychic?
Shure it wouldn't have anything to do with fact that diverse ethnic and religious groups were held in check by foreign colonialists or despotic regimes often through suppression of one group or another ?
Same goes for Balkans.
Complaining about others not knowing history is a bit rich coming from you.
Let me fill you in on something, the Christian brothers and other religious orders were still doing the old whipping long after 1960.
The EEC wasn't the game changer you make it out, education was a huge step forward in terms of opening minds on social issues.
And Ireland in the 60s had already started operating on a different economic model, trying to lure in FDI rather than Devs lunacy.
Yes the EEC brought in rules about labour and equality, brought a bigger market, brought huge changes in argiculture, but it didn't cause people to suddenly question the church on social issues.
And once again you don't seem to have any understanding of history.
As a matter of interest Luttrell, how many of these ethnically diverse country's have you lived in? And within Nigeria "huge and diverse" range of peoples, there are many ethnic rivalries, and these go back centuries. And these rivalries were often ( and still are) marked with bloodshed. Presently, the death and destruction level inflicted by boko haram is easily surpassed by ethnic violence in Nigeria
If those laws were properly enforced we wouldn't have so many arrests related to islamic terrorism.
prior to that the Irish Government's policy was designed for the interest of the white, settled, heterosexual, mediocre, superficially catholic, eldest farmer's sons
Aaahh.. the mask slips.
Luckily we do have our own immigration laws.
The borders were not shut during the pandemic, not even a bit. There were some Garda checkpoints at the airport, there is the passenger locator form and there were cancelled flights. Nothing was done at the border and immigration stage, absolutely nothing except checking the passenger locator form.
And that's not what it is asked anyway. No one asks to shut the borders, just to properly enforce the non EU immigration policies and quick deportation of the illegal migrants, foreign criminals and terrorists and bogus asylum seekers.
Because that's how they wanted it, if they wanted to shut it down completely then they would have. As it was, they reduced by millions the amount of people entering and exiting.
Contrary to popular belief, if they wanted to shut the land border,they can. It was done in 24 hours in 2001.
If course, there is no real need as we already control our own immigration laws. apart from obviously allowing all EU and UK citizens free reign.
But, just to assure the poster, it can be done.
Actually it turned out we really can't. In what was the biggest emergency in a generation our borders remained remarkably porous to those who simply ignored the guidelines. A cavalcade of Travellers entered the country at the peak of the first lockdown, drove across the country through who knows how many Garda checkpoints and set up camp on government land in the Curragh. Hell, I know four groups of people who were living in the UK who thought feck this over Boris' early screweups and inaction in the UK, hopped into their cars, got on a ferry to the North and drove down to the South no bother. That was in the early stages too. A friend of mine with a family member working in the UK has on six occasions in the last two years driven up to Belfast airport, picked them up and drove back home to Dublin and made the same return trips. He's doing it again next week for the Christmas. New Zealand or Australia we are/were not.
And these are all "law abiding citizen" types, though clearly not in the above cases. Given we have at least 20,000 illegals, sorry undocumented in the country, but documented enough to be able to establish long stays here so they can get on the residency list, our border seems about as non porous as a teabag.
Because they didn't close them completely, but obviously they can. So no need to worry!
The gift that keeps on giving with added christian brothers.
Irish Government's policy was designed for the interest of the white, settled, heterosexual, mediocre, superficially catholic, eldest farmer's sons
Well, if we take out farmer's sons, it's hardly surprising any democratic government's policies are alligned with the general interests of the vast majority of the population. They wouldn't be in government for long if they weren't, or democracies for that matter. And I hate to break it to you, but if you were a voter around back then the probability is extremely high that those general interests would be yours too.
EMIGRATION
"The Irish were imigrants too". We haven't seen that one in a while.
The problem about your ideas on what constitutes a solid "politic and philosophical" is you don't have a single positive thing to say about diversity because you are obsessed and fascinated by difference in a love hate sort of way. Mainly hate, but then we know you couldn't do without it.
And... we circle back to the personals again, avoiding responding to points raised. With a large side order of irony with it. I'm accused of being "obsessed and fascinated by difference" by someone whose mulicultural politic is actively defined by it?
And the survey says....
Well surveys can say a lot of things and are driven by how they're conducted, presented and by the survey taker's intent going on and the surveyed they include. So if we take your survey which asked the question "do you see increased diversity as a positive change", look how it's presented. In particular look how the the surveyed who want no change to thier existing levels of diversity are presented. In white against a white background and on the other side to the definite nays so they fade in attention to the casual viewer.
Now if I wanted to go the other way and slant it towards; "increasing diversity is opposed by a larger percentage than we're led to believe" using the exact same results you posted I'd put the we want no change people on the same side of the graph with the solidly opposed in a strong colour or make them a lighter shade of blue to really slant it and the results would start to skew quite differently in quite the number of countries. It would certainly be a much closer run thing.
Take the first group, which are the ones involved in the western notion of multiculturalism. The median results for those who want no change to increased diversity compared to those who are in favour of increased diversity are a lot closer; 39% vs 45% Oh and that includes two ex European colonies based on the notion of immigration and multiculturalism as part and parcel of their cultural narrative. The overall median result for the 27 countries listed would be 39% against increasing diversity Vs 45% in favour of it.
It never did @bubblypop. I travelled, others travelled even for non essential stuff like boob and hair jobs. They made things a bit awkward but the borders were not shut.
You should be very happy then that you had an eye witness view when the country shut its borders over the covid crisis. So you can relax
That doesn't contradict what I said.
Also we have health care system and a housing shortage that Is not fit to care for the population of the country at the moment. Need to seriously think about upgrading our country's services before we start adding more pressure to it.
How about defining "diversity" so that we might know for certain where you're coming from?
Also, I'm still waiting for these Utopian or wonderfully diverse countries that you advocate as being a success... I've asked you before now to name them. Perhaps you could show us which countries meet your standards of being diverse, and successful?
Um, you do realise that everyone who disagrees with you isn't part of some collective with the same opinions, and stances on issues?
Most of us have some similarities in our opinions, but there's plenty of space for us to disagree too. So, one or two posters saying something doesn't represent everyone in the overall discussion.
Nothing inherently wrong with multiculturalism...
i simply believe though that every country on the planet, should be of the ability to allow who they wish into their country .. both to visit and to make a home and life...
That when there is a threat to the wellbeing of its people, either through over population, financial and terror threats every country can control its borders... open them or shut them... how and when that country wishes with the best interests and capabilities of securing the wellbeing, security and safety of its citizens at heart and as first priority..
the EU model has failed us and will continue to....
EU states have never been under greater terror threat...
EU states have never been under as heightened financial strains...
LOL, you guys keep me too busy. 😘
Sweden - Swedish 80.3%, Syrian 1.9%, Iraqi 1.4%, Finnish 1.4%, other 15% (2020 est.)
Finland - Finnish 86.9%, Swedish (official) 5.2%, Russian 1.5%, other 6.4% (2020 est.)
Denmark - Danish 84.1%, Turkish 1.1%, Inuit 1.0% other 13.7% (largest groups are Polish, Syrian, German, Iraqi, and Romanian) (2018 est.)
Norwegian - Norwegian 83.2% (includes about 60,000 Sami), other European 8.3%, other 8.5% (2017 est.)
Iceland - Icelandic 81.7%, Polish 5.6%, Danish 1%, other 11.7% (2020 est.)
Ireland- Irish 82.2%, Irish travelers 0.7%, other White 9.5%, Asian 2.1%, Black 1.4%, other 3.6% (2016 est.)
You don't seem to know the history of Ireland at all. Did it stop in 1960 for you, after the Christian brothers gave up whipping it into you?
The EEC brought forward social conditions, and environmental laws which you and your ilk all still whine about as if they were heavy impositions. For example the marriage bar for married women in the civil service had to go when the gender equality principles were adopted. Also there were a raft if laws that asked EEC states to come up with labour activation measures based on the principles of social solidarity - prior to that the Irish Government's policy was designed for the interest of the white, settled, heterosexual, mediocre, superficially catholic, eldest farmer's sons - EMIGRATION.
You and your white-sheeted friends are only gaslighters, back earlier in the thread it was stated that they are not fleeing any problems, and the purpose of raising the serious differences between Nigeria's huge and diverse range of peoples was on the insistence that Nigeria had no ethnic diversity.
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