And only an utter drooler would try to argue that a Unionist vote should be worth more than any other vote, right?
Where are people saying this? They arent but some are implying it.
People in the North will vote on what a UI will mean for them.
The issues like flags, anthems, symbols, taxes, public services and all that jazz will be laid out, so that everyone both North and South know what a UI will look like in reality.
Then a vote will happen and both sides will have to vote Yes.
A tough ask if you ask me.
How are you going to get anything approaching a substantial number of those of PUL heritage to engage on these issues? Mass hypnotism?
"Many People have told me" hmmm you sound like Trump there.
The name of the country is Ireland in English Eire in Irish no need for any change at all IMHO.
Naive to say the least.
The people, north and south will vote Yes or No based on 'proposals'.
You STILL haven't told us how you envision Unionists taking part in agreeing for example, flags and anthems and then voting and campaigning against them.
Nobody has to leave, unless you happen to be a Catholic from Eastern Europe and live in a Loyalist estate.
Arlene Foster has said herself that she would move away if there were a UI. https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/03/29/news/arlene-foster-insists-she-would-move-away-in-event-of-united-ireland-2270648/
Nothing is compelling her to do that other than her own Unionist paradigm created inside her own head.
That's because you're not a democrat and don't support the GFA.
Indeed British constitution academics have determined that anything other than the 50% +1 threshold would be a breach of the GFA.
Well, it looks like this is very much an empty debate.
"But let’s be very clear, there is no border poll on the agenda at the moment, there is no serious prospect of it."
That is from the Labour Shadow NI Secretary.
I should have been clearer. The exclusionary nationalist posters on here have claimed that everything should be on the table. When challenged, it seems that isn't the case.
You may think that there would be no need for a change, but these are the things that have to be discussed well in advance of any border poll.
No, I am not cherry picking Eire Nua. That was one of the silliest ideas ever produced, with dewy-eyed notions of moving the capital etc.
What I have suggested, as only one of the possible futures of this island, is a federation of the two existing states on the island, with the level of federation to be discussed.
Also you are ignoring the point I am making about three minorities in the North, a concept that is now well accepted.
It is one possible outcome.
People need to realise that there is a continuum of possible outcomes to a united Ireland, and these all need to be put on the table and discussed.
Ah yes, your standard post for when you are unable to counter an argument.
We should open a book in every thread on the issue as how soon you will desperately reach for this.
And posters say I am mad to suggest a federal state as one option. Here we have a united Ireland as a member of the UK as another option. Discuss.
The only people promoting and discussing emmigration and repatriation [sic] of Unionists in the event of a UI are partitionists and belligerent Unionists.
It's not worthy of discussion. And even if it is something that ends up on the table it's one for the UKGOV to deal with.
NOMFUP essentially.
An empty debate?
Only a few pages back you were looking for discussion on this issue.
Which lane are you in blanch?
I see you found Slugger O'Toole. Well done.
You could learn a lot from Mick Fealty when it comes to disingenuous misinterpretation.
"It comes just as a poll of southern opinion shows there’s no appetite for change to attract people of a British background to a United Ireland."
No surprise that you jumped on this.
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As it stands there is no campaign or appetite to rejoin the UK, but like your campaign for a No vote in a border poll, you're more than welcome to start one.
It's frankly unbelievable that you're proffering this at all. Madness.
There in the challenge, unless you advocate ignore about half the electorate when coming up with a 'plan'.
Not true.
We have had several of the exclusionary nationalists on here putting forward the idea of a repatriation programme, in what seems to be a forced displacement model, which is sort of the nice modern word for ethnic cleansing.
I have said that there should be a lot of discussion in advance of a border poll. I have also said that the onus is on those wanting a united Ireland to put forward their ideas.
They are a long way from winning hearts and minds.
Unionists are being ignored now?
They refuse to engage, as is their right, but they have no right to complain about not being consulted.
Citation needed.
They will vote yes or no to a plan and will think long and hard about it.
Unionists will have a voice and will have huge leverage.
At what point are we "in advance of a border poll"? Surely today is that day?
The only ones who bring it up are exclusionary nationalists saying that unionists can all go home to Britain and suchlike. One of them even proposed a repatriation scheme funded by the British government for them.
We are very far in advance of a border poll, can't see one this decade.
Tell us more about your Federation plan blanch.
Does it require both parts to separately concur for Constitutional Change?
It will be amusing to read your reaction as we strive for a secular republic and scrub references to God from our Constitution, only to be thwarted by those NI Nationalists that you've handed veto power to.
You could call it the Federal Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, with each country retaining its own flags and anthems etc, even football teams. It's the sort of option that would appeal to the middle ground in the North, the hearts and minds that have to be won if we are to avoid a sectarian headcount.
Unfortunately, it seems that most on here just prefer going for the sectarian headcount option.
Are people in the Republic proper, expected to pay for this duplication of services and government structures?
Sounds like you want taxpayers here to pay to prop up the failed British statelet.
Have you ever heard anything more preposterous?
The thing is, if the poster in question isn't being disingenuous, then they actually believe that they know what they're talking about. Let that sink in for a minute.
