It's all falling apart alarmingly fast for Boris Johnson across the water. How long you reckon he has left as British Prime Minister? Hours surely?
How many parties are they talking about now? I've lost count.
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Well if those are legitimate then it blows Aegir "little bit of cheese and wine" nonsense out if the water
The party by themselves are not normally voting issues. But they need to seen in the context of what voters were being demanded to do at the time. Many people lost loved ones, were forced to be alone, missed saying goodbye, missed family events etc etc. To then have that all thrown back in your face while the 'elites' party on is pretty galling.
Had Johnson come out and said that yes, a party took place for people that were working together, thus already in bubbles, working hard to save the country and that while understandable that they needed to let off steam, it was ill advised and he can completely understand the annoyance. But instead he tried to lie about it. Compounding a relatively minor, and probably not a vote changing issue, into one about trust and leadership. Those are both things that do resonate with voters.
The covid passport issue, while it may well go away if the virus is brought back under control, is a problem because of the damage to his authority. Once people start seeing a weal leader then they start to think more about themselves than the party.
Nigel Farage is already back. Not only has he a show on the new GB News channel but he's running the Reform party as well. They've been quiescent of late but his recent criticism of Johnson suggests he may be more than willing to split at least some of the Tory vote and discontent over things like vaccine passports may help him with this.
The tories are quite clearly not coming out of this unscathed despite bizarre attempts to shrug it off. They are being absolutely hammered in the polls in a way not seen in years.
I don't think the Christmas parties things are genuine voting issues.
If his party is splitting over the passport then he has a big problem. This is fundamental stuff that won't go away.
There is no UKIP/Brexit party to split to vote on, so you might get major voter apathy which will lead to Labour gaining back control.
If Nigel Farage comes back on an anti-restriction platform, he will scare the bejaysis out of him and the party.
I think Boris is astute enough to flip flop on it and reverse the passport stance. But it seems like the pressure is coming from elsewhere.
What can the Irish voters do about it:? Next election could be over three years away.
Members of the Tory party came out yesterday to say that Johnson has to change, used up 8 of his 9 lives etc. Johnson directly asked for support from his party yesterday, and instead he suffered way more of a revolt that anyone anticipated. Johnson lost the vote yesterday. He needed Labour to save him.
No point having a majority if none of them would vote to support you. Johnson, and the like, prosper when they have that air of invincibility about them. Teflon coating. Johnson is now seen as a leader that can be openly challenged by his party. For that many to openly go against his wishes means that he has lost control.
It might turn out that he is fine, but the main problem Johnson now has is that he is not in control of that. He is completely at the whim of his party, and to external factors. Factors that he doesn't control either. He has no control over Brexit, no control over the next stages of the pandemic.
The other issue Johnson has is that clearly there are people within No 10 that are leaking all of this. They are openly challenging Johnson to deal with it, and so far he is failing terribly to get a handle on it.
Given that Johnson shows scant regard for rules, not wearing a mask at the hospital for example, it is very likely that there is plenty more stuff to come out.
Is there a point here?
Tory scum eh?
its **** amazing.
it's like there's been a pandemic or something 🙄
Nearly 200,000 people have been killed by this virus. They impose measures while having massive parties of their own.
They're split on COVID-19 passes; not split forevermore. Even as a supporter of Johnson, I would have voted against these measures, too.
Once the Omicron storm passes this winter, said "split" won't have a reason to exist. Johnson will be applauded for averting as many deaths as possible during the wave, and any talk of Christmas parties will be long forgotten.
All Johnson needs to do between now and then is to avoid any own goals.
Johnson is very far from being in a "very weak position". That appears to be more wishful thinking than anything else.
Johnson's in a very weak position. Many of the MP's know well that they're on borrowed time so there's nothing he can use to either entice or threaten them. There's no reason for them to toe his line. He's now got the same problems that have bedevilled Labour for nearly two decades, ie a split voting bloc that wants mutually exclusive things.
I'm not going to get into the ins and outs of whether the vaccine works but surely a government party that is standing over 170,000 deaths from this virus should ensure that they are leading by example rather than trying to look like they don't have to follow the rules. Their disregard for the rules is shocking and that so many are opposed to having to show a covid cert is not surprising.
However, what it does show is a lack of leadership and control over the party. Surely the Tory chief whip should have instructed them on how to vote and behanve?
Johnson has been sacked from multiple jobs (for lying)
Of course, when you're a multi- millionaire Etonion getting sacked for gross misconduct more than once is barely an inconvenience
Its not faith in government, it's the outcome of good Governance. There's a very big difference. Governments can be despotic if they govern in a way that is non transparent and panders to their base at the expense of the society at large
The EU structural funds are administered under a set of agreed rules and eligibility criteria. All the member states come together and agree what the criteria for eligibility are, and then members are invited to apply for the funding under the agreed criteria which are then evaluated by independent administrators. It is these structures that prevent abuse. Compare this to the UK's method of handing out regional development funding via ministerial decree and you can see the difference between trusting 'government' over demanding good governance.
Could that not be rephrased to 'Has a 99.9% chance of not killing them'. They're double vaxxed aren't they? Probably got boosters on the sly. They're probably thinking if big Boris can survive it unvaxxed, they can survive it vaccinated.
You are using Tory MP votes to make a point? The same Tories that overwhelmingly voted for a Brexit deal that they now all admit is terrible? The same that voted to change the rules to try to get Patterson off the hook? The same that are standing behind Johnson over the Xmas party denials?
Whatever reason they decided to revolt, you can be sure it has nothing to do with science or the 'pulse of their voters'.
Opinion polls in the UK suggest that the majority agree with more restrictions.
the fact that a populist leader like Johnson lost this vote is a warning to other leaders especially our own that ever more restrictions with regard to Covid will not be accepted.
If you compare the Tory bench against the opposition bench, there is a massive difference in the numbers wearing masks. That the Tories were happy to brazenly ignore the rules showed that they have a different mentality towards the virus. I'm not aware of any other government party in Europe that is so defiant towards something that could kill them. I'm many ways it is not surprising that a large percentage of them were against tighter covid controls.
Daily Mirror has pics of a fully catered Christmas party now. Has caused one resignation so far, their recent London mayoral candidate Shaun Bailey, from a political role but not his London assembly seat
the fact that a populist leader like Johnson lost this vote is a warning to other leaders especially our own that ever more restrictions with regard to Covid will not be accepted. Yes it was Tory MPs that voted but they obviously have the pulse of their voters. The government here would be wise to resist anymore restrictions from nphet
But only after Labour said they'd vote the measures through. So real damage. Harrumph harrumph.
First Name on the Noes is Abbot, Dianne
Photos now coming out from one of the "business" meetings.....
101 rebels (not counting abstentions). Appalling party discipline.
Johnson will get through this, it will blow over and it would be very difficult to force him to resign over a party. There are multiple layers are sacrificial lambs available to protect him.
But what it does is yet another blow to his authority. There is an increasing number of Tory MP's willing to stand up ti him on the upcoming Covid vote.
As with Thatcher, it is usually not some massive scandal or point in time event that gets them, save from elections, it is usually a slow process of drip drip reduction in their capacity to control the party.
He was largely voted in to 'Get Brexit Done' which according to him is now a complete disaster and they have to start again or crash out. He was carried along on the wave of the early vaccine success, but that has passed and the latest surge shows that the success was not the answer it was sold as.
The economy continues to splutter, with big tax rises coming down the track. Once his authority is removed, then he will find it increasingly difficult to get anything done, and being the good time funny man is his thing. He can't do that if his hands are tied by Sunak or Truss.
Sunak will have his own ambitions and won't readily give away treats just to help Johnson stay in No.10. It won't be the press that will get him, it will be the Tory party itself.
I think the fact is that there's a new class of voter who simply votes for a certain politician because they annoy the other side. The consequences of this are the elections of demagogues such as Boris Johnson and Donald Trump. That said, Trump never did anything economically damaging to his country as Brexit. The damage Boris Johnson has caused Britain will be felt for decades. He knowingly campaigned for his country to leave the EU because of the increase in popularity it would afford him.
What baffles me about all of this is the fact that BJ has admitted to making up stories about the EU prior to the Brexit vote and still his followers believed in his anti-EU rhetoric. So no, the same idiots who believed Johnson when he was sacked as a journalist for lying will be stupid enough to vote for him next time.
“[I] was sort of chucking these rocks over the garden wall and I listened to this amazing crash from the greenhouse next door over in England as everything I wrote from Brussels was having this amazing, explosive effect on the Tory party – and it really gave me this, I suppose, rather weird sense of power,”
We're net contributors to the EU now. Having taken a long hard look at how Brexit is panning out, do you seriously think it worth our while economically to ditch the bloc and get a rebate on our contributions?
The UK was a massive net beneficiary of the trading system (particularly in financial services and banking and other discreet industries too numerous to mention) and the improved economic health and productivity of trading partners.
Essentially, they spent decades investing in places, and they cut themselves off from the returns that will now continue to flow to other EU member states via diverted trade. The height of idiocy.
He came into power under the sufferance of a wealthy elite who run media and business interests in britain and when the tory rump are informed that he has served his purpose he will be disposed of
How he measures up as an actual prime minister will be so irrelevant to the entire debacle that anyone focusing on it will just look naive im afraid
We can use history to assess why people born before us come to power too.
being alive at the time does help people actually understand the climate at the time and why she became so powerful while also being disliked..
you confuse my amusement at the angry lefites as anger.
It does make me laugh that the same red faced ranters, will then go on about gammons, as if they aren't one themselves.
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