Housing is but one example. From citizen's information:
Landlords must use the RTB’s Notice of Rent Review Form when issuing a rent review. Landlords should fill out the sections of the form that are relevant to them and should not delete or change any of the form. Other forms, emails, text messages and spoken messages are not valid forms of notice.
(https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/renting_a_home/rent_increases.html).
There are a number of other similar things in the finance and social welfare / services sectors. I cannot be bothered googling details of them all for you. But I know I've seen (and helped generate) substantial volumes of physical mail in all of these sectors in recent years. Granted, fewer items than there were, say, 20 years ago.
City centres are finished. Commuter belts and girls from Buttevant leaving their Dad on the naughty step for 20k a year in the big 4 are more than likely finished too. As a kid from the western suburbs I can't wait til all the country people go back to Ballygobumbum or wherever the hell they're from and leave our sh1tty drug addled suburban towns to us locals. After all, we don't impose ourselves into their traveller fights!
On the sauce?
The good old the bigger the paper pile on my desk the more important I am or the person who walks around with a bundle of paper under their arm must be going to an important meeting.
legal profession love paper.
There’s a drunken rant if ever there was one.
Some interesting bits from the article below
Interesting examples ‐ do the Vista employees share the financial benefits of the reduction of office space by three quarters? Or do they subsidise their employer with space, light and heat?
Perhaps they do subsidise, but then this is more than gained back through savings in travel costs and time savings of no commute?
You just don’t want to let this one go, do you? I doubt they are (and you know that), but they are still going in eyes open. They want this. Lifestyle improvements and commuting savings are much higher in most people’s priorities than whether their employer is passing on some lighting and heating costs.
Curious, have you raised your issue with your union and what did they say?
You have a fixation on employees space light and heat. Every comment you make on this and other threads revolves around space light and heat.
It's not an either/or choice. Imagine getting all the lifestyle improvements and commuting time savings AND getting paid by your employer for the space, light and heat you are provided to them?
You seem to be stuck in a loop. Have you tried switching yourself off and back on again?
Those three components make up a lot of the cost of providing a safe workplace. Of course they are what discussion will back to.
You are the other ghoul who fixates on those things. Most other people like to discuss the benefits to the worker, the benefits to society, but you and AndrewJRenko pop up and bemoan the employer using your space, light and heat.
Quit with the personal abuse: just cos I disagree with you doesn't make me "ghoul".
The benefits to society of having young people cooped up working in their bedroom or boxroom, with only on-line exposure to colleagues and customers. Or of women being conveniently located to get in that extra bit of housework during their breaks, and out of sight so not exposed to stretch assignments and ad-hoc interactions which build professional competence and organisational trust.
Give me strength.
I'm calling you a ghoul because you pop up in the work from home threads and fixate on all the negatives you see of working from home without acknowledging any of the benefits.
Im a man, and I just did a spot of housework myself between meetings. It's 2021, housework is no longer solely a womans issue.
Young people no longer need to rent a box room in Swords because it's all they can afford. If they are working remotely, they can move to somewhere much cheaper and set up a decent office space quite cheaply. Oh yeah, they'll have to pay for the heating and lighting though.
how is it only women who get that extra bit of housework in?
I disagree with that and I’d appreciate if you stopped with your sexist stereotypes please.
Your comment about women shows just how out of touch you are, which is reflected in your views of how an office should work (which has prompted many posters on this thread to suggest you are still living in the 1980s).
I did some housework today to take a break between meetings, and popped to the post office. Means that I don’t have to do it tonight (nor does the wife!!)
I'm about to put tonight's dinner on during my lunch break so we can have dinner as a family and nice and early too.
Damn I hate this employer exploitation. 😁
(Got to love slow cookers though.)
Indeed give us strength. Look for the vast majority of workers these (mostly spurious, like not getting stretching projects, if anything it's you that's stretching it 🙄) trade offs are something they are happy to make. For all but the tiniest subset of workers, the light, heat and space costs are more than offset in the quality of life and flexibility improvements working from home offers.
I actually happen to live very close to my office, just a short 5min stroll so I don't actually get to see the big benefits like commuting or accommodation costs (unlike many of my colleagues - one of whom has now been able to buy a house as a cash buyer in the country, with the money he had intended as a deposit in the city), but I am a rarity and I still wouldn't give it up due to the quality of life improvements it's offered.
So yeah, €2 a day on additional light and heat costs, more than worth it to be able to spend more time with my family. If my employer sees a benefit too, well good for them - everyone wins.
Bang of 'let them eat cake' off this now. Maybe he doesn't want to move from Swords. Maybe his family are in Swords. Maybe his kids are in school in Swords.
Maybe we shouldn't be expecting people to change their life plans because employers want to save a few quid on office costs?
Why should workers be expected to 'trade off'? Light, heat and space is an employer cost. Why should employees be sharing or taking on totally this substantial cost now.
Because there's either an overall neutral/no cost or all things considered, a significant net again (not just monetary considerations) to wfh and it's potentially a win win for lots of employers AND employees. Insisting employers pay for these things is naturally going to lead to employers not being keen to allow wfh to continue and the employee who view wfh home as a 'net gain' it at a loss, again not just considering money. I'm at a loss as to why this needs to be spelled out over and over and over again. Also, 'substantial cost'?! Are you working from home in the North Pole?
Says the lad fixated on the same non-issue for nearly 2 years 🙄
I asked you previously what your employer said when you suggested this, you said they didn't go for it.
This time I asked what your union said as you stated in the past you are in the public service so public sector unions would normally be the ones to engage with your employer on issues such as this.
I'm guessing the answer is one of the following
As previously explained to you, this isn't about me or my employer. See the big picture.
It is far from neutral for an employer who could well end up halving their office accommodation costs. They'll be laughing all the way to the shareholders, while continuing to spin the HR/PR line of how WFH is a privilege and employees should be grateful for being left off the lead. Employees have one chance to share in these cost savings.
Laughed out of the room, gotcha
The issue is, for the vast majority of employees, they don't care if they have a seat in the office and they don't care if the employer makes savings, reduces footprint or makes an increased profit. Most employees are just interested in their own well being and they believe the costs of L&H + space in the home are greatly outweighed by the benefits of zero commute and the freedom to live anywhere in the country. I personally have practically no commute and much prefer WFH.
But if you don't believe that, that's fine too. You can continue to go to the office if you wish.
Would an extra couple of grand a year make a difference to your wellbeing?
It depends. If my working conditions remain as they are now, yes it would. Were WFH reversed, it would depend on the size of the increase.
WfH is a perk, or at least it was until it became normalised by the pandemic, and one could try to calculate its value if they wanted to. Say I switched jobs to an employer with no WfH, I would certainly have a number in mind for the increase in salary in order to stand still.
I would want an extra couple of grand to go in to the office!
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