Championship showdown this weekend. Will Lewis win his eight title or will Max win his first? All will be revealed on Sunday.
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5 point advantage off the balance from the **** show in Silverstone and Hungary.
Hamilton fans clearly can't see that for the few breaks Max got Hamilton got significantly more.
What video are you watching. I havnt seen any contact
If Hamilton had given the place back on lap one...
He would still have passed Verstappen easily when Max's tyres started to go.
People seem to forget that Max started on softs that didn't last and had to pit early. That lap one tangle was good for moaning but not really much else.
David Croft, despite being a head wrecker at times, still not as good a commentator as Ben Edwards or his replacement Alex Jaques, and with his (stolen) catchphrase on his wall... actually makes some good points here.
Weren't you dismissing anyone who said similar about Silverstone recently - how Hamilton gained a massive 26 point advantage from punting Max off the road and you completely dismissed it as "well, that's racing". And now you're moaning on about 5 points in Belgium. Comical 🤣
These incidents/controversies need to be looked at in terms of point differential, versus an alternative scenario where they didn't occur.
Grid places were earned on the Saturday so not completely without merit. I'd wager if they raced, there's a 75% chance the points de widened after the chequered flag.
Certainly not the gift to Max you make it out to be.
Why is everyone still crying that Max got no luck until yesterday when you have just admitted that he did?
You want to talk about Monza as well, when a struggling Max took out Hamilton who would have gone very close to winning that day? Who did that benefit?
As you say, these things even themselves up over the course of a season, so own up to that fact instead acting like what happened yesterday was some sort of justice for everything that happened. Max got the rub of the green, including a race win literally handed to him.
Best get the eyes checked. They never touched.
Just they way it looks. Hamilton turned the car to the right but there was 100% no contact
One on this thread. And other ones. Maybe I need my eyes tested.
I wouldn't say there was anything wrong. It was as late as you get alright, but that's what you want in racing. But when a move is that late the other driver doesn't have many options. Some seem to think he should take the hit but it's not bumping cars. Also, the rule is that you can't gain a lasting advantage. The stewards judged it was late and aggressive, Hamilton took avoiding action and that Mercedes gave back the time difference gained since entering the turn. I would imagine the Mercedes pit wall was onto the stewards immediately saying they were giving back the time over a certain acceptable time that wouldn't be seen as "lasting ". If Hamilton was fully on the brakes he couldn't have done anything else to avoid a collision in which case this ruling would be ok in my books.
Its irrelevant what Horner or Wolff wants. Its what the Race Director decides is the key.
Not sure tapping into race radio during the race is such a great idea. Hamilton complains that everyone is dangerous when they come with a couple of metres of his car. Verstappen complains everyone is against him. Horner and Wolff are like two kids having a playground fight.
Just leave it to the Race Director to decide these things and get on with it. Its the constant lobbying that's ruining the sport.
Probably because there was a move made that was fast. There really was no touch at all.
You would have heard all about it.
Did he or did he not get a race win when no racing was completed and the only laps they did were 2 behind the safety car, which was enough to call a race?
Yes or no, simple question.
I actually can't believe people are trying to say Max wasn't gifted a race win in Spa. It's incredible mental gymnastics to bitch and moan about Hamilton getting the benefit of a red flag at Imola but yet Spa was perfectly fine.
We don't know what would have happened if Hamilton handed back the spot. Verstappen is hard to pass even in a slower car as was seen in Brazil. They could have knocked each other out. Max could have slowed up and allowed Perez or someone else to pass Hamilton. It could have been a different race and there's no doubt Hamilton got a lasting advantage.
A race was completed according to the rules. Or do you want to throw them out now as well?
And Hamilton was punished for Silverstone but yet you never shut up about it.
Do you want to throw out those rules as well?
From memory Max was the only driver who wanted to race, all the rest were saying the spray was too dangerous.
The contractual obligations were met that day. Don't say there was a race.
So you want to ignore the rules now too? Hamilton fans can't make up their minds - they want the rules to not be followed when it suits. Hilarious.
The rules only count when they benefit Mercedes. If they don't benefit them, they are called into question.
Its playground stuff from them.
It resulted in a 26 championship point swing and you're are crying like a baby over 5 points in Belgium where the rules were also followed? Do you only want the rules followed when Hamilton benefits because that's what it sounds like?
No, no, he didn't slam you, he didn't bump you, he didn't nudge you... he rubbed you. And rubbing, son, is racing!
That's deflecting now. It wasn't a 25 point race win. It's about relativity between the two (+5 to Max).
You had an outcome which occurred (against Max's wishes) giving them half points based on their performances from Saturday.
Had the event not occurred, the probable alternative is an even greater sway in Max's favour (+7 minimum) with all else that was going on that weekend. The difference between this "lucky" event happening/not happening works out +2 to Lewis. Not Max.
Another quote from Vettel:
Vettel said he got the message late: “Very late, but I think too late, they should let us pass straight away like other times,” said the German.
“And obviously, you have the guys fighting in the front. So you've just got to clear the path. I don't know what it was. For us it was a shame because we didn't have a race then, because everything was spread out.
So much like Alonso, he was very surprised at the initial reluctance to let lapped cars through immediately like they normally do.
The more information that comes out the clearer the picture gets - the lapped cars should have been allowed to unlap themselves like they always do. This was delayed because Toto was lobbying the FIA and trying to get them to tear up the rule book and ignore all precedent in order to gift the victory to Hamilton.
Ultimately, after all the wrangling, the FIA decided to do the right thing, but unfortunately the delay meant that some backmarkers couldn’t unlap themselves like they normally do, which was unfortunate but it was the best that could be done in the circumstances.
It's not deflecting. I said Max was gifted a race and you claimed he wasn't.
You refusing to answer the question is deflecting.
I'll ask you again.
Yes or no, please.
No. The event was held and they done the minimum, awarded the points and all that. Technically you are correct, well done. Maybe ask the Belgian fans did they enjoy the "race". I've never been a Mercedes or Hamilton fan.
With all the talk about rules the last day or two it's interesting to see that some people actually don't give a hoot about the actual rules when it doesn't benefit their point of view.
Yeah I don’t think there’s anything to complain with about Imola or Spa really. The red flag rules make total sense from a safety point of view and it’s incredibly rare that it would happen while the fastest car on the track is a lap behind the leader.
It was crap we didn’t get a race in Spa but ultimately they followed the rules to dish out the points.
Both drivers have had luck this season, and the last one to benefit was Max.
