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Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,588 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    whatever about parking in a cycle lane, they're damaging council property (the bollards) - the council should send the store manager a bill, including the cost of sending guys out to replace the bollards, that would quickly put a stop to it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,132 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    That truck will not fit through the arch that leads to the rear carpark of the SuperValu. What else are they supposed to do to conduct their business? The Council should have been more concious of the reality on the ground.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,588 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    use a smaller truck? park a bit further away in a loading bay? remove the arch? park outside the bollards and block the road rather than the cycle lane and also not damage the infrastructure? it's hardly the council's problem.

    I'm sure this is not the only supermarket that can't pull a van right up to it's front door, they can adapt.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,132 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Remove the arch........



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    Have you never noticed that here in ireland many many people still havnt grasped the walk/cycle left, pass right thing. Have a go at trying to run a lap of Marlay Park sometime, its a real eye opener.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭Grassey


    Yeah, but then go to Dundrum and the escalators have stickers saying stand right, pass left!

    No wonder we are in such a state!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭buffalo


    Cycle on the left, walk/run on the right is the rule.



  • Posts: 33,400 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    That's incredibly bad form by SV.


    You could even point out the gross hypocrisy of them asking people about 'what small changes' they can make for a more sustainable world, when their own drivers are pi$$ing all over those who choose to travel in a sustainable manner.

    https://twitter.com/SuperValuIRL/status/1467433567114469382



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭Trudee


    Musgrave delivery truck will not fit in the 2 car loading bay across from Supervalu Ranelagh quite apart from the fact that loading bay usually occupied.

    If you have ever used the Supervalu car park you will know the  trouble there is in getting  a turn in the very oddly shaped car park never mind negotiate the wall separating car park from residential lane if another car waiting to come out when you go in.  Agree with Labre, the council should have been more conscious of this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭Trudee


    I have parked in this loading bay at night on many an occasion waiting for son in Flyefit while watching the huge delivery trucks unload pallets outside SuperValu, trust me 2 cars is all that fits in this loading bay

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭Trudee


    What solution do you think SuperValu should have arrived at short of drone delivery?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭Trudee


    That’s an odd question as I did not mention exemption from law but I do know that I see a council not fully reconciling consequences of putting in cycle lane without provision for allowing deliveries to a supermarket that provides a service to a huge population and many of them elderly who don’t cycle



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,080 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There is a dead end road literally 20m away they could have stopped down.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They did make provision for deliveries, they put in a loading bay. Unfortunately some private motorists think they can park there waiting for their kids



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭Trudee


    Yes cycle lane was in situ in Ranelagh but with time limits which were removed this year or late last year, up to then parking outside SuperValu could be done after 19pm but since 24hr cycle lane introduced no parking for trucks at any time therefore council should have worked to provide a compromise.

    As to DaCor comment about private motorists parking in loading bay obviously doesn’t know that again loading bays have time restrictions therefore perfectly legal to park in loading bay after 19pm regardless of who they are waiting for or even if waiting for nobody.

    As to comment about elderly people who don’t cycle - I have no idea why you think elderly people who don’t cycle are inane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭Trudee


    Cycle lane was not 24 hr in 2009 and it is very dismissive to suggest that the fact that there is an elderly cohort living around Ranelagh that need a supermarket within walking distance is a lazy argument

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭Trudee


    I’ve parked there and I take it you haven’t so I can categorically say a Musgraves truck will not fit in loading bay as it is now across from Supervalu Ranelagh.

    Second question is bordering on snide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭Trudee


    And how does a delivery truck turn when it goes down a ‘dead end’



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  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sounds like the loading bay should be made 24 hr so, problem solved



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭Dowee


    Has anyone communicated with Super Valu and / or the council over this damage to public property and illegal parking?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭Dowee


    Do delivery trucks not have a reverse gear?

    The fundamental issue / disagreement here is that too many people expect cycling infrastructure to be worked around the existing car / motor infrastructure, it is years of this that has gotten us into this mess. This approach is also going to do very little to help us achieve the climate goals that have been set out.

    Until people who value unfettered access for motor vehicles accept (or are forced to deal with) the fact that this era must come to an end we are unlikely to make a whole lot of progress in terms of congestion, active / sustainable travel, climate goals etc.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,402 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    what's the etiquette when cycling past a funeral? should i take off my helmet as a mark of respect?





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,102 ✭✭✭✭Macy0161


    Smaller delivery truck, that can fit in the space they have?

    I guess it's not surprising that the usual suspects want the status quo maintained, and believe that the problem here is the active travel infrastructure. Supermarkets without their own infrastructure, should adapt. Not the rest of the population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,102 ✭✭✭✭Macy0161


    Don't overtake it anyway, or you'll never win a National Championship... The more I think about this "solution" the more it's no solution at all. Apart from whether it's appropriate when people are burying their loved ones, a 2 way cycle track is inevitably going to be blocked by cars at funerals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,146 ✭✭✭daragh_


    So a quick google reveals that the opening hours for the cemetery during the week are 10am to 4:30pm.

    How will access be managed during the hours when commuters and kids going to and from school actually cycle?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭Trudee


    You mis-read my post; I didn't posit 'the elderly argument' I stated that Supervalu Ranelagh provides a service to a huge population many of whom are elderly and don't cycle, that is a fact not an 'elderly argument'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭Dowee


    I've read that changing that to 24hr is part of the plans.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭Trudee


    Exactly where did I 'shoehorn' in the 'elderly argument' many times? Again you mis-read my post; I didn't suggest cycle way impedes access to store - I clearly stated Supervalu was an important service in the middle of Ranelagh and in that context the Council should have worked closely with Supervalu to provide a solution to deliveries when cycle lane changed to 24 hr.



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