SF only stopped him after the Indo came calling, that is the point.
Oh dear lord, if you wish to travel that path of defence, Leo Varadkar (as leader of FG) was quite content to do NOTHING about Maria Bailey, until the local DL branch forced his hand.
Alan Farrell is still there.
Do you EVER stop and run your own argument over in your head before posting them Blanch?
What have the shenanigans in Fine Gael to do with Sinn Fein other than as a method of distraction and deflection?
However, now that you point them out, can you confirm that you accept that Sinn Fein do not do things differently and are at least as corrupt as other political parties?
The "shenanigans of FG" are apt on this occasion, as they're actually in government, and the above mentioned insurance claims were lodged whilst they were in government.
I regretfully will have to turn down your offer of a comparison in corruption Blanch, I have seen you throwing that accusation around like confetti in this thread to describe O'Neil using a state car, while you were simultaneously defending Leo Varadkar, and him being under criminal investigation in another.
I get it, you don't like Sinn Fein, but stop trying to talk from both sides of your mouth.
You'd really need to read the article.
I know. Never said he did. Read back.
You seem upset. Yes let's leave it.
I cannot see anywhere in the article where SF say the reason they voted against the development due to there not being enough social and affordable housing in the proposal which is what you claimed.
If you could show me where they said that to backup your claim that would clear the whole thing up and prove you were not lying.
why dont you do what the rest of us can do , and read the article ?
the labour cllrs that " broke rank " and eob from sf gave there " reasons " in that article .
Darragh Moriarty, one of three Labour councillors to vote against the Glenveagh proposal, said: “This evening, myself, Kevin Donoghue and Jane Horgan-Jones opposed the disposal of the Oscar Traynor Road site.
“We don’t believe handing it over to a private developer for them to take their slice will deliver the affordability we need.”
Sinn Féin’s Housing spokesperson Eoin Ó Broin described the outcome of the vote as “disappointing, but not surprising”.
“Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, the Greens and Labour have gifted public land to a developer in exchange for unaffordable homes,” he said on social media.
I have read back, and you are not telling the truth.
So nothing about not enough social and affordable as part of the scheme?
Not sure why Brucie is lying but thanks for backing it up.
i wouldnt say anyone is " lying " the labour cllrs and eob have disputed that the houses are actually " affordable enough " , youd want to be extremely pedantic and pathetic to be latching on to " not enough " by that statement to be honest !
Boys, I said the poster suggested it was just SF, gave the idea, inferred, it was just SF. I never claimed he said it was just SF. SF was the only party he mentioned so I clarified:
Now for the other desperate bee in your blue bonnets, they had issue over not enough social and affordable.
The vote comes one year after councillors overwhelmingly rejected Glenveagh’s plans to develop the Dublin City Council owned site, which would have seen 50pc of homes sold privately.
So then we had:
An alternative plan proposed that the entire scheme be developed by the local authority, with 80pc used for social/cost rental and 20pc designated for affordable housing. However, following an assessment by the Department of Housing, it was feared this approach would result in delays of at least five years before work could even begin on such a large-scale project.
So they went with this:
A revised scheme put forward by Glenveagh will now see all 853 properties used for State-supported homes – a tenure mix of 40pc social housing, 40pc cost rental and 20pc affordable purchase.
To clarify:
“Sinn Féin supports the plan for the development of the Oscar Traynor Road site, led by Dublin City Council, with the site retained in public ownership and delivering 40% social housing, 40% cost/affordable rental and 20% affordable purchase.
“This is what was agreed by the City Council in March.
“The tenure mix is now established as the appropriate mix for the site and represents real progress.
“However, the revamped proposal from the developer Glenveagh, while retaining this tenure mix, does not deliver affordability for the 60% of the units in the development that would be cost rental and affordable purchase
So reads to me, they, amongst others, had issue with the numbers of social and affordable, (before pedantry gets the better of you, this link was provided earlier).
You boys are desperate. All this because I wanted to point out it wasn't just SF and they had reasons. That's all. Merciful hour lads. Get some orange slices and meet us back on the pitch next Sunday.
Nowhere did the poster suggest that it was just Sinn Fein, that is all in your mind.
It also might read to you that they had issue with the numbers of social and affordable, but with all due respect, I don't think anyone else posting on the subject would agree with you.
It is bizarre, and doubling down repeatedly on it.
The bit were he only mentioned SF voting against it suggests it to me mo chara. All I did was say amongst others basically. Don't let it keep you awake.
It's quite clear the issue was the numbers. Get over it.
We are on the Sinn Fein thread, why would he be mentioning others? There is a general RBB thread on his objections to housing, and if he had posted on that one and mentioned Sinn Fein, you would be calling him out for being off-topic.
I guess this means there won't be any building of homes any time soon if SF is expecting DCC to build them.
How many brickies does DCC employ?
how many times have you mentioned the government in this thread , and compared sinn fein to what the govt have achieved or implemented ?
As many as they have tar all the roads and lay water pipes I imagine. You'd think they'd pay contractors......
i doubt that they are expecting dcc to literally build them , with their own workers like , unless of course you have a source for that ?
Go on, we've been over this a few times, you have never been able to explain how and why it would be cheaper. Perhaps you were expecting to contract the lads that made the mica blocks.
What? How does that relate to this discussion?
you are confused by your own posts now , yeah ?
We are on the Sinn Fein thread, why would he be mentioning others?
sf arent in govt ( yet ) so why do you keep mentioning the govt , and also keep trying to tell anyone else mentioning anyone else that this is a " sinn fein " thread and to stop mentioning anyone else ??
one rule for you and one for everyone else , youre not a ffg govt member are you blanch lol ?
You appear to be confused. You don't understand my point.
one of us is definitely " confused " you got pulled up on this nonsense about mentioning other partys a while ago by the poster b kelly if I remember rightly with evidence of you engaging in it regularly !!!!!
all over the shop you are...
That's the point Blanchey pal! , this is the same toolbag that repeatedly claims Michael Collins was FGs founder.
Great work, seeing as the big man was dead for over ten years before FGs came to be.
Honestly, I've no idea why Varadkar and co allow his constant stupidity on Twitter. He's a Grade-A - Bell End.
Oh my god. Memory loss is a serious thing. I never mentioned cost, but I'll take a cheap laugh from your efforts at changing the subject.
Why do companies build? For **** and giggles? Why do the friends of the government parties invest in builds/build to rents, for the craic?
It's not like there's any profit to be made 😎
Building en masse is cheaper than buying or leasing for 25 years en masse. Do you think these lads design and build these units for cost? 😂
This is the UK:
This is Ireland, 2020:
Local councils can build social housing at half the cost of private developers
New figures show major difference in cost between direct builds and turnkey purchases
This is from 2021:
Developers 'gouging' councils by charging up to €100k extra on apartment builds
Dublin City Council has been charged up to €372,842 for a two-bed apartment – €100,000 more than the average construction price, according a new report
There's more money to be slipped to the right TD or councillor going the failed route we continue on.
I support any party, including SF, who vote to block the tax payer getting robbed through these housing schemes.
Please tag or bookmark this post. I don't want to have to 'explain' this to you every so often.
Can you point out exactly what the problem with the development is though?
The affordable housing element will see one-beds priced between €204,000 and €238,000; two-beds from €227,000 to €284,000; and three-beds from €250,000 to €306,000.
Why did SF vote against this? All I can see from the article is: Sinn Féin’s Housing spokesperson Eoin Ó Broin described the outcome of the vote as “disappointing, but not surprising”.
Is he disappointed homes will be built? Also I never mentioned other parties in any of my posts so can you please stop bringing that up.
And a good article here that shows what the motives.
Impressively, Dublin City Council officials managed to square these many circles by obtaining a tender that would see the developer pay €14 million for the land in return for 853 homes, 428 of which to be disposed of as private homes - with the developer offering to sell 50pc or more of these back to the council for a cost-rental scheme and a further 172 to be sold to low- and middle-income workers qualifying for the upcoming affordable purchase scheme. The council would then buy a further 253 units for social housing provided at the construction cost rather than open market value.
