Take that up with those 'posters' maybe?
There will be things that cannot be decided until after a UI.
Flags and anthems for instance. Unionists won't (and I understand why) take part in a southern White Paper, why would they?
So stuff that requires a UI vote will have to wait.
Nobody likes paying tax, but we do because there is a dividend in paying it.
If a government can convince that there is a dividend in paying for Unification then it will pass.
It was on this thread a few pages ago.
You're talking to me.
What, you think that because i prefer a UI referendum to be as unspecific and general as possible, basically a UI referendum that can mean all things to all people; that that precludes me from engaging posters that cite specific problem issues?
That was me (and others) .... I quite clearly said it was impossible to get all detail sorted prior to a vote, but there should be a relatively short framework of achievable aims that the detail will be taken from. Its not a "no detail" vs "all detail" thing.
Oh dearie me. Not a chance. Back in the 1970s when our EU partners were much richer than us, that was a near certainty. However, times have dramatically changed. We have few close friends within the EU, and most countries in the EU are far poorer than we are and have no appetite for funding us.
Thankfully our government has no intention of publishing such a plan. It would be disrespectful to do so given the current low level of 34% support for a united Ireland in the North.
You mean our current government.
SF will get in at the next GE and then UI will be firmly on the table. Better keep those fingers limber cause you'll be doing a lot more typing in the next few years.
Ah, I see, you are in the rainbows and unicorns camp when it comes to a united Ireland. Keep dreaming, it does the soul good.
You failed to consider the level of animosity the British government have created since Brexit. France, Spain, Germany, all willing to stick the boot into old Blighty. Plus a UI extends the EU, gets rid of a huge headache of legal texts and meetings and quibblings from Britain.
A UI simplifies things for everybody.
Not enough to persuade Romania and Bulgaria and Poland to put their hands in their pockets. Spain and Italy won't either.
You are thinking of the old EEC which hadn't expanded eastwards and southwards.
Source?
You have a habit of making these declamatory statements that sound factual but are not grounded in any facts.
I've said this before. A UI is beneficial to all and suits all, except belligerent Unionism/Loyalism and bitter partitionists.
Our government has no intention of publishing a plan for a united Ireland. The Devil does not exist.
Neither of those statements can be proven, however, if you don't accept them, you can disprove them. It is as simple as producing the plan for a united Ireland, or even the plan for the plan. It might be easier to produce the Devil.
I am not aware of any single EU leader that has ever promised money in the form of billions to support a united Ireland. There might be €10m for an EU office or something, but nothing else. Now, if you have evidence that says different, please feel free to present it.
So not grounded in any facts. Thanks for confirming.
The Abominable Snowman does not exist. The government has no intention of producing a plan for a united Ireland.
You seem to believe in the Abominable Snowman as much as the plan.
No facts there either. Thanks again.
If a UI is beneficial to all why has it so little support in NI?
SF already failed on the financial benefits with the Hubner Report.
What you mean is that you haven't a single fact to disprove my statements.
You know there is no EU support coming for a united Ireland. You know that there is no intention to publish a plan for a united Ireland.
Instead of accepting that, you make a completely nonsensical point asking me to prove a negative. A tiresome way of debating.
"So you simply cannot prove general claims that are negative claims -- one cannot prove that ghosts do not exist; one cannot prove that leprechauns too do not exist. One simply cannot prove a negative and general claim."
"There are those who will refuse to accept that the burden of proof rests with those making positive claims. They do want to claim that:
Those who behave in this manner are rejecting the use of reason. They want to believe that X is true or that X exists and to believe it without evidence or even against evidence to the contrary. "
You are clearly in this camp. You are saying that the government plan for a united Ireland exists unless someone proves that it does not exist.
So there you are, prove the plan exists, prove that Romania and Bulgaria are willing to pay for a united Ireland.
What I mean is, you believe whatever you want.
Far be it from me to dissuade you.
If someone believes the moon is made of cheese that doesn't bother me in the slightest unless he tries to sell me a bit of it or something.
Essentially then, we are all in agreement that the Government has no intention to publish a plan for a united Ireland. If someone disagrees, feel free to produce the plan.
Desperate stuff blanch, desperate.😁
You have no idea what the government will do, you just need to believe they won't go there, like Unionists.
That old dichotomy again...'sure we are gonna win a UI vote, but petrified to allow a vote happen'.
I can't vote yes with those assumptions. Too unrealistic....
Francie, have a good read of the article I posted, and what it says about those who insist on someone else proving a negative.
Of course, at some unidentifiable point in the future, a government may decide it worthwhile to signal an intent to make a plan for a united Ireland. In my opinion, probably not. However, no matter what way you view the faraway future, it is not possible to disagree with the statement that the Government have no intention of making a plan for a united Ireland.
If they had such an intention, it would be in the Programme for Government, in the NDP etc.
I'd say it could be in the next program for Government, in 3 years(at the latest).
I asked you to support your statement with facts - you failed to supply them.
You can believe what you want though, I have no interest in proving you wrong on this.
BTW, the reason it isn't in the NDP or Programme for government is because a BP has not been called. There will be no announcement of a plan until such a poll is called.
But I think we will see a CA called soon which will begin the process.
Read the article.
If I say a government intention to publish a plan for a united Ireland does not exist, then the facts are that there isn't one, and there isn't. In the same way, I will say that unicorns and dragons don't exist and that there is no pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.
Your faith in a government intention to publish a plan for a united Ireland is right up there with the unicorns.
Ah cmon Francie, you posted these two statements not 10 minutes apart 😂😂
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I've said this before. A UI is beneficial to all and suits all, except belligerent Unionism/Loyalism and bitter partitionists
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