I can’t remember a hard question that I didn’t answer. I particularly enjoy the hard ones. That’s when I learn most.
There’s some sad truth in that.
I don’t think there are very many left in Ireland who would describe themselves as British? They mostly moved to Northern Ireland or were happy to integrate into Ireland and fair play to them. Everyone to their own.
103,113 at the last census, probably more now after Brexit.
BTW in a census, you are asked to describe your nationality/identity.
You must be in the Christmas spirit already francie. Thank you for your support; surprised and appreciated.
Yes that is just 2%
…and I don’t think even that 2% are, in Toms words, “poorly disguising their hatred of the reality of living in Ireland amongst the Irish, but there you go.” I think they are just people who feel British but live in Ireland. Hardly a crime
The Irish census asks about nationality (as in, citizenship) and specifically ask you to declare all the nationalities you possess. Separately, it asks about your ethnic or cultural background. There is no question that refers to "identity".
In round figures, 103,000 identified as citizens of the UK. Of these, about 15,000 also identified as Irish citizens. And, of the 15,000 dual citizens, about 13,000 were born outside Ireland (island of). The bulk of them would be people born in Great Britain (which is how they come to be UK citizens) to Irish parents (which is how they come to be Irish citizens) who are now living in Ireland (which is how they turn up in the Irish census). The 2,000 dual citizens who were born in Ireland either were born in NI or have one or two UK citizen parents, which is how they come to be UK citizens.
OK. Of the 88,000 UK citizens who are not Irish citizens, virtually all would have been born outside Ireland (or they would be Irish citizens). They could have been born anywhere in the world, but I'm going to hazard a guess that the great bulk of them were born in Great Britain.
There could be people born in NI and now living in Ireland who don't claim their entitlement to Irish citizenship, but I suspect not many. My guess is those born in NI who relocate to Ireland are drawn overwhelmingly from the community that identifies as Irish and exercises its entitlement to Irish citizenship.
Nationality questions in the census are a bit rubbery, because people don't necessarily understand the finer details of their citizenship status. Someone born in NI and identifying as Irish may not see himself as a British citizen even though, as a matter of UK law, he is. I suspect the number of people who are dual citizens because they were born in NI is much higher than 2,000, but they don't claim or acknowledge British citizenship.
Conversely someone born in the UK of Irish-born parents may think he is not an Irish citizen unless he e.g. applies for an Irish passport, and may be identifying as one of the 88,000 British-only citizens even though he is, in fact, an Irish citizen as well as a British citizen.
I was just calling you on your cheap jibe.
Plenty of British people living happily here. No reason more cannot live happily here. Tom was referencing those who identify as British and who cannot seem to get on with the Irish or the actual British themselves.
Fair enough Pere.
I was just showing that it was a few more than downcow's attempt at a smart comment.
So that takes it down to about 1% British living in Ireland Pales into insignificance against the percentage of Irish living in our wee art of the UK.
but off subject again and if I respond anymore I’ll be accused of the one taking it off topic
Well we can't go kidnap them downcow
Jesus Christ almighty......It would do you no harm to stop and think for a second before posting such low grade baiting posts.
I'm not even going to bother with addressing the substance of the post, as you've already been called out by another poster on exactly what you're doing.
Maybe we could get back to discussing the NI Protocol instead of pages of sh*tposting that is bordering on trolling?
It’s really interesting how you accuse me of baiting yet ignore the post from Tom that I was responding to. Here it is again “We all know that those who describe themselves as 'British Only', having not lived in Britain for centuries, are poorly disguising their hatred of the reality of living in Ireland amongst the Irish”
That's a perfect description of the Jamie Bryson's of this island downcow.
It's not baiting if it's true. The next census numbers in the North will be interesting. The 'British Only' cohort seems to be in decline and we could well have all six counties with a unionist minority. One wonders if unionism will become more humble and seek to shake off its association with Orangeism and its supremacist roots. In my view Unionism is irreformable and will continue its death spiral as it loses its position of dominance.
I did not accuse you or anyone of baiting so don’t know the point you are making.
I showed up to a heap of sh*tposting, most of which seems to be posted by you. I responded to the most recent.
You literally did it one post prior.
Any updates , Downcow, on this legal challenge?
Show me where I accused anyone of baiting?
Nothing recent. But I do see the two cops who were accused of assaulting someone at the Sean Graham memorial have got off Scot free today. It’s great when the truth is outed and it suppresses all the noise on here. Another issue I was told I was talking nonsense on
Insufficient evidence is hardly 'scot free'. They are free to go but as there is insufficient evidence then you can't say and I can't say if they did it or not.
*and it is 'scot-free' no capital letter and no connection to Scotland. It's from the Scandinavian word for a tax - 'skat'.
Like others have suggested im no longer gonna engage with your blatant lying about what you have or haven't posted, its getting pathetic at this stage and tbh is verging on trolling, you know you did it, everyone else knows you did it, its right there in my last post.
thanks for that francie. A very civil identification of my spelling error and no accusations of my disrespecting the English language. Such a lovely way to engage.
Now if you can just be consistent and approach any misspelt Irish in the same way. You’ll feel better as a person.
….and just when we are on consistency, that is an unusual response to there not being enough evidence. I could name many cases that I believe you would respond very differently on but that would just drag us off topic again.
If you don't want to go off-topic, stop talking about things that could put the thread off-topic. It's simply a way of getting a little point or dig in whilst attempting to shut down any response.
I think you are accused of disrespecting Irish people's names downcow and names associated with your native language, alá Gregory Campbell. There is insufficient evidence to say you weren't do that.
Not knowing the origin of a phrase you are using doesn't acquit you sadly.
Go on, try me. You'll find I use the word 'alleged' when there is no conviction. EG I don't know if Gerry Adams was in the IRA or not. Hence it is 'allegation'. I don't know if the British helped bomb Dublin or my county town and Belturbet, hence I refer to it as 'alleged collusion'.
When a verdict of 'insufficient evidence' is handed down the court or PPS is finding the same thing. 'They don't know'.
Every.....f*cking.....time.
You really can't resist, can you?
Looks like they want to put a "hard border" for non-Irish EU citizens, and presumably for non-Irish non-EU citizens on this island. In a bill passing through the British Parliament they are demanding that such people will effectively have to "register" for a visa waiver before crossing the border into Northern Ireland.
They don't specify how this will be enforced, but if it is to have any meaning at all then there must be some means of verification. If somebody from, say Germany, is holidaying in Donegal and wants to pop into Derry for some shopping or sightseeing then how would the authorities know they were there if they didn't ask for some ID on the border?
Perhaps they will turn a blind eye to it but just take extra action if somebody comes to the attention of the police. Say if you have a minor traffic violation and you are in possession of a French passport but no visa waiver: what then?
Such documentation will require a hard, or harder then today, border somewhere. I suspect the main thing is to stop EU citizens flying to Dublin and then simply travelling up to Northern Ireland before crossing over to the "mainland" in search of work. If they don't check them on the Irish border they will have to check them at the airport or the Irish Sea port.
Or it could mean of course that the Ireland/Britain common travel area comes to an end.
That will be a 'British border'. Just saying.
If enforced it would make life intolerable for many workers in my community who cross back and forth every day just like I do.
A British made border in Ireland, but let's not split hairs.
It would be a complete **** outrage, IMHO.
I always thought from the moment I heard the result that Brexit would cause bloodshed in Ireland. I am still of that opinion. Britain is entitled to leave the EU; we all agreed that the moment we ratified the Lisbon Treaty. But it also has to adhere to other treaties to which it is bound. It can't just rip them up unilaterally. Won't stop the bastards from trying but they need to be told where to get off.
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