What boundary would you apply to that?
and we would still have the same traffic problems in knocknacarra, westside, nuig, terryland and renmore?
If the radial PT exists, why need the bypass?
You are trying to justify the existence of the bypass by saying people living within it can use PT instead lol
Again, nice idea, but that does not form a part of any current plans. In fact current plans are EXTREMELY limited in ambition so as NOT to reduce access of the private car to the city center
I'm sure the Galway shipping centre and Galway Retail park would love that idea. How would someone buying, for example, heavy goods from Currys, Woodies, Smyth's etc get them.
I think the bish needs to stay where it is, we need to be able to make secondary schools work in the city close to transport hubs. If you live in the city center, i think its fair to think that your kids should be able to walk/cycle to a secondary school.
The Bish will be moving as the Uni have plans for a full takeover of Nuns Island. They've been buying it up for the last 20 years. From the Bish side, the move would make sense as they get the new site for free, room for expansion and full access to all of the Uni's sports facilities. As it is now, its totally hemmed in with zero facilities onsite
I totally disagree.
Schools should be in suburbs where kids live, not the centre where hardly any kids live.
Congratulations, you've just closed half the BnB accommodation in the city.
But at least you realised that residents should be allowed vehicle access. Shame we cannot have visitors though, or tradespeople to fix broken stuff in our houses.
And the best bit - you solved almost none of the city's really transport problems.
the enviro wokes want to close down the city altogether without building a bypass and reaching some sort of solution
Actually multiple alternative solutions have been listed, all of which would offer more sustainable transit into, through and around the city, cost less, be more environmentally sound, safer, efficient, healthier and provide greater economic benefit. They would also provide the above benefits far, far longer than anything that would come from the road proposal.
For example, 5 Park & Strides located on the major arteries into the city, with bus & bike infrastructure and high frequency bus routes would entice a lot of folks out of driving into the city. Obviously would not suit everyone, but then no mode of transport does suit everyone, but it would work for a heck of a lot of people.
This is true again ARUP's own data shows this Induced demand effect. Many parts of the road network in Knocknacarra going to have much increased motorised traffic on them as a result.
Yup this is the problem, the current strategy is doing very very little on this front. Reduce is the word, not restrict.
So this "Free up space" argument.... it just does not happen. Its not in the current strategy and looking at other regional Citys like Limerick and Waterford
it never happened for them either.
Rebates? Paid for by? You're there already whingeing about supposed "greenie", "woke" taxes. Where do you think these magic rebates will come from, the money tree.
Sure, 1 word, budget
I don't see much hope for Ireland planning/producing any kind of sustainable, livable, healthy, affordable cities. It's not part of our culture. We have a fear or derision for any kind of communial urban living. I can't quite out my finger on it. Maybe it's due to us being a low population country and the city seen as somewhere where poor people or students have to live. We seem to be definitely closer to the US and not Europe in this respect.
Not many kids living in the city centre but those who do still have the Jes and Mary’s. Under 15 minutes to cycle to Taylor’s, Enda’s, Salerno and Moneenageisha too. Wouldn’t it be better to have the schools near where kids live? That way everyone, not just those in town, can potentially walk/cycle without the need to go through transport hubs (of course getting into your local secondary is a whole other problem…)
You be faster driving to athlone some days than travelling from east to west.
Another bridge is needed, bypass can't come quick enough.
Is anyone surprised?
This project may still fail to get funding due to the very real climate concerns associated with it
https://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/126268/momentous-appalling-galway-divided-over-ring-road-planning-permission
Happens at every junction in the city, all day, everyday. The dog on the street could tell you that.
We need kids to live in the city if we want the city to grow ! reducing the school options within the city seems wrong to me. I'm well aware at how confined the bish is for space, but it seems inherently wrong that NUIG was allowed to muscle them out. The bish attracted pupils from all over the city and its suburbs, its new location will make it very hard to access for pupils from renmore without jumping into a car.
Very hard to see how funding can be given when we still cant get the M20 built between the 2nd and 3rd largest cities. This bypass is a third of the cost of the M20 and only 18km in length. Crazy.
Surely if they put that much money into a light rail or a hybrid of alternative options it would benifit more people?
The school have been pushing for that move since at least the 90s. They announced it was happening long before even discussing it with the university.
It was a weird one
1/3 of the cost.... is this the costing of the ring road was costed 6-7 years ago? €600,000,000.
What is it at current prices and future +5 yr, have heard from pro-ring road politicians like Noel Grealish saying more like €1,000,000,000.
€1,000,000,000!
Surely it would be cheaper to dam Lough Corrib and divert outflow to Screeb or Kilary
Sure you'd buy 1,500 fully electric buses for that. You could have the whole city population seated on a bus and moving at the one time. Obviously stupid money but that's where the ring road project is going...
My guess is there is going to be at least 3 if not 4,challenges to this approval
How could this possibly cost so much? Reminds me of the children's hospital fiasco. I assume a proper cost analysis for the entire project will be done before this is given funding, or is this going to be tolled?
It seems like the anti-ring road brigade live in some sort of a cuckoo land thinking that public transport and cycling as a valid alternative to commute in Galway in the near future. There is no escaping from reliance on cars in Ireland within the next millennium at least. If this was to be ever achieved, it would require a seismic shift in people’s habits and planning developments across our city.
Those who are actively opposing the ring road do not seem to have people’s daily lives and struggles on their agenda by the look of things. All the assumptions for the non-driving alternatives seems to also be focusing on single individuals with abundance of time to spare. Do Green Party or An Taisce do not base their modelling or research around young families? Tell me how a family with 2 kids living in an estate can make public transportation possible, when schools and childcare are located miles away from each other with different school starting/finishing times to factor in as well.
Another major factor that nobody is mentioning here in terms of alternative traveling solutions for Galway is that we do not live-in sunny California and Galway on average gets 230+ days of rain per year and travel distances from housing developments to IDA/workplaces is way too far for an average person to commit to on daily or weekly bases. I've commuted from Knocknacarra to Parkmore on a bike over the years and believe me facing 30km/h winds, rain and unpredictable drivers is not for the faint hearted.
Ring road is a necessity for a lot of folks out there, until planning authorities start creating mix developments not just 1,000s of housing units with no services around it. We can debate mono rail, cycling or bus transport, but we need solutions NOW, not in 10 or 20 years.
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