Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

You see, we don't really know that. We've only been introduced to the team radio to Race control this year. The closest we've ever seen as to how Charlie operated was when cameras rolled in the drivers meetings a few years back. For all we know, the umming and ahhhing happened under Charlie as well and who can forget when Seb basically told Charlie to eff off over the radio. There was a very good debate over this by the BBC team on the Chequered Flag podcast that's worth checking out.

McLaren to use a modified livery this weekend:

Mercedes sponsorship with Kingspan has been terminated.

“Mercedes end controversial £4m-a-year deal with Grenfell firm”

https://mol.im/a/10285663

Not fair play to them for putting theie money where their mouth is on the issue they can control? Mercedes has influence but they don't decide where they race, but they do decide their own sponsors.

Dare I suggest a little honourable mention to Lewis? Well see what they say later.

Y'all want to talk about dodgy sponsors?

Ferrari and McLaren are still sponsored by nicotine suppliers, the Red Bull energy drink can cause cardiac issues if over consumed, all those fancy stats sponsored by a multi billionaire who flies his 🍆 into space, Haas being taken over by Russians and before that possibly the most contentious sponsor in the history of Formula 1. Rich Energy.

Exactly - practically nobody in this part of the world gives a **** about Malaysia, and have no direct experience of what happens in Saudi etc. But the F1 circus and the media that covers it is completely and totally UK centric in the way everything is reported, and Grenfell is a major UK issue, so that's why Mercedes have backed down to public pressure in this instance as the PR damage is not worth the monetary gain. If enough of a stink is kicked up about other sponsors, they would also be dropped. But if the sponsorship money outweighs the PR damage, there is literally nobody they wouldn't take money from.

You should probably look into the accusations against Kingspan. Very serious if true.

Ya the kingspan line is that they didn't design any of the systems in the tower and that their product was used without their knowledge in a small percentage of the facade.

They don't mention the fraudulent certification of their products and their company attitude around that.

For a company like Mercedes to walk blindly into this PR disaster would suggest that they didn't do even the most basic due diligence prior to signing up.

As for kingspan, being dropped like this must be the ultimate advertising disaster.

It's like blaming fuel company for a bus catching fire after finding that the diesel you bought was contaminated with another highly flammable fuel and also after finding evidence of fuel company producing dodgy certification to say that the fuel was diesel and not defective or unfit for purpose in any way.

The same Bernie who suggested Hamilton should have stepped down to preserve Shumachers title record and thus legacy.

The man (Bernie) is now irrelevant

Masi laying down the law before the last race and reminding drivers they could be deducted points and or suspended for interfering with the championship.



Crofty called it the goat vs the kid

He also just said his moment of the year was at copse corner silverstone!

It's sad to see Kimi retiring, I think people forget how good and how quick of a driver he was especially in the 00s. Only Hamilton and Schumacher have more fastest laps than him. There's a beyond the grid interview on YouTube with him, it's over an hour long. Surprised they managed to get that long out of him

Yeah Kimi came into Formula 1 with very little racing under his belt. He was very impressive in Mclaren but poor car reliability let him down. He may have had a lot of luck to win in 2007 but he had earned a championship before that.

Confirmation from Channel 4.

Live on Sunday from 12.00.

What you mean by 'was in front' in max's case is being behind going into the braking zone but not slowing down enough to be able to take the corner, going straight on, thereby 'being' in front?

Being well behind is not at all accurate, he has to be least level to challenge or be ahead to defend which are the positions he's been in if he's able to use this apparent tactic of driving people off the road.

Contrast Hamilton, verstappen was never half a car length behind resulting in him tagging a competitor on a corner ruining his race. Hamilton had previous for this, to use your own words it's becoming a "pattern".

So based on that pattern if anyone is to be worried about being tagged and race ruined it's Verstappen.

Max was in front on track until this corner approached. Hamilton was on the outside and had got to a position of being maybe 1/3 of car in front of max at brake zone. At that point if max can keep it on track if is still 100 percent max corner as every driver will run the other out wide in such situation.

So that's what I mean by being in front.

Now by braking very late, losing the rear and running through the corner max came out in front.... He was in front before approaching the corner and in front after. Plenty of cases in the past of Schumacher under pressure approaching a chicane while under severe pressure braking impossibly late and jump across chicane and maintain place.

All I'm saying is maintaining a place by going off track should be penalised same as gaining a place but they need to do this across the board. History tells us they don't apply it across the board.

^ A message from Alfa to Giovinazzi.

He gave the position to Lewis afterwards. Then got penalised anyway. He also gave up the position in Brazil soon after. For all the bluster in the British media, Max has done absolutely nothing untoward that has impacted the championship in any way. He outbraked himself late braking while defending the inside line on a couple of occasions, never made any contact or gained any advantage, and didn’t go on to keep the position in either case. Massive mountain out of a tiny molehill, drivers brake late on the inside while defending all the time.

Meanwhile the xenophobic media spend all their time focussing on that and completely ignore the fact that Max would already comfortably be the mathematical champion by now if he hadn’t been taken out by Lewis’ dirty and dangerous driving in Silverstone, and taken out by Bottas the race after for good measure.

There’s probably nobody alive today who’s more of an authority on F1 driving than Fernando Alonso and he’s already pointed all that out during the pre-weekend interviews at Abu Dhabi, mentioning the amount of points Max was robbed of in those incidents and saying Verstappen deserves the championship because of that and because he’s been driving on another level.

Of course the media have barely picked that up, endlessly quoting yet another British driver Norris’ inane comments about brake testing instead as that goes along with their narrative.