As the title says, this is a new thread for chat about Dun Laoghaire in general without the traffic & transport nonsense.
Enjoy.
that doesn't mean houses for second time buyers should also be out of the question.
Lets be honest here, the problem isn't the market or people's expectations, the problem is pure **** greed.
which is absolutely fine, as long as people only need 2 bedroom apartments.
What then happens when they need a 3 bedroom place because they have two or three kids? Then the rental price on 3 bed places goes through the roof.
Say people could happily bring up two kids in a two bed apartment, where ae the 300 kids that grow up n this ne development going to go to school? Where are they going to play in the middle of winter?
it isnt just about building two bed apartments. that might seem like a great idea when that suits your own needs, but decent planning means a mix of housing to suit different people's needs.
There is one big positive here for Dunleary House in that it allows plenty of people the opportunity to pay cheaper rents every month if they get approved to live in these proposed apartments.
Another benefit of this proposal is that the tenants who would live in this apartment block will have plenty of opportunities to use high levels of public transport links in the surrounding area such as the Dart in Salthill & Monkstown and plenty of bus services which are provided near Cumberland Street & York Road.
But the way in how the apartments look over Dunleary House look very unusual. I have never seen anything like it in my life. It's a very odd design to officially state to ABP that this was the best design available out of possibly many more functional design proposals that could have been considered for the site.
I wonder what those in ABP will have said when they had a look at the 1st impressions of this design when the application was submitted by the developers. Would they, in secret, burst out laughing or would they able give more positive views on the proposal?
Honeypark has a lot of affordable and social housing.
No.
Lets say theres a plot of land in question. DLRCOCO can either approve for build-to-sell:
5 town houses. Which will take 5 family units out of the current rental market
or
30 2 bed apartments. Which will take 30-60 family units out of the current rental market (depending on how many buyers rent out their spare room).
The latter removes far more people from the rental market who're there currently, so has more of an impact in driving town prices.
Its just a question of what uses the space more efficiency. Which will always be apartments rather than houses.
Honestly I think the Honeypark-type template is fantastic and should be repeated everywhere. I'm sure the government has loads of reasons why that isn't possible and peons like us just wouldn't understand
Stand-alone houses for first time buyers inside the M50, is over. History. Forget it.
That said, the apartments I've seen in the Honey Park/Brickfield site and those being built in Cherrywood and Brennanstown are perfectly adequate for family living in the long term.
If any mindest needs changing, its that of people seeking to buy, thinking that they may accumulate as much 'stuff' as they want and expect the market to cough up a large home for them to accommodate it all, at an affordable price. Irish people need to visit cities on the continent or in other Countries, where the notion of a house on its own plot in an urban area for ordinary working people, would simply be laughable.
On the Tedcastles house specifically, the developers are taking this piss with a design to build literally on top of it, but they know this well, its only testing the water on the site more generally. A design that leaves the house to stand alone will be easily approved there.
but not building houses drives p the prices of people wanting to rent houses, so people stay in apartments, which pushes the prices up.
And don't kid yourself that people are building developments like the one in Harbour Road Dalkey, or even this one in Monkstown, because they care about people renting apartments, they are only interested in squeezing the maximum amount of profit out of the smallest piece of land.
I'd rephrase that, and ask when will they replace a lot of Dun Laoghaire with apartments built with family/long-term living in mind?
And then ask that of basically all the big urban centres in the country.
We cannot seem to get ourselves beyond the mindset of apartments for young/single people, for the short-term until they get a house.
More apartments getting built in the area drives down the price of renting apartments. Which means groups of 20/30somethings can then rent apartments (as they do in functioning property markets) instead of renting 3/4/5bed houses in a group as is very common here currently. Which then drives down the price of renting/buying said houses for families, because they're now not competing with the young people.
Building apartments is the most efficient use of the very limited amount of developable space in Dun Laoghaire to drive down house prices.
Have a look at house vs apartment ownership across Europe. The Irish obsession with house ownership is an outlier. It is perfectly possible to have kids in an apartment (speaking from experience with multiple kids). If we continue to build low density semi-d's, all it does is push up the price of housing so young families can't afford to buy.
so when are they planning on demolishing the whole of the Dun Laoghaire and replacing it with apartments?
It would be nice if the council was able to actually have some teeth and stop all these apartments being built. It is almost impossible for a young family to buy a house in the area now.
To my mind if ABP grants permission, it would really bring into question the value of county development plans and preservation orders. Essentially it would turn these into time wasting activities by local authorities, an expensive joke. Also undermines local consultation exercises, with local democracy becoming a bit of a sham!!
I'd hardly put it in the realms of preservation status and would like to see that site properly developed but unfortunately that plan for the house looks ridiculous. Shame it got preservation status as this site has been derelict for far too long.
That is comically bad looking! It doesn't look like the site is so constrained that they couldn't have planned for something around the house but not incorporating it directly. I'm not suggesting that they copy VHI directly but their work on Abbey St is very imaginative: https://goo.gl/maps/H5NAvB9qNXLohAXx7
It will be interesting to see if county development plans or protected structure designation carry any weight at all. IMO this application is trying to take the piss out of both!
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/build-to-rent-plans-for-d%C3%BAn-laoghaire-yellow-brick-house-1.4747370
Could do with a bit of cheer!
Usually this weekend coming, 4 weeks to Christmas.
Plenty time enough.
Any idea when the Christmas lights are going up/on? Was on Georges st. on Sunday evening, it looked a bit grim without the lights!
Daft logic from the council, the site doesn't overlook any homes and buffered by wide roads, a car park and church grounds. It's absolutely ridiculous that a well located site like this isn't deemed suitable for a 6 floor development, in which most residents would be walking, cycling or taking the bus. And don't start me on Boyd Barrett's objections to it! Hopefully ABP tell them all to get stuffed.
Yes.
I don't know about the prevalence of such features in other parts of the country but it seems that by adding gyms, cinemas etc. to the planning application and for subsequent marketing, it presents the development as a "lifestyle community" as opposed to just another apartment development. All very wholesome!!!
Re. Bakers corner, yes it will be very interesting to see ABP's approach. I think that one of the main planning arguments for mass and bulk on the Stillorgan Rd. was that the road itself, is a main public transport route. Hence good access to same.
Are private cinemas placed in apartment buildings more commonplace in well off areas of Dublin than as opposed to the rest of the country?
Who knows. My brother in law had something similar in Singapore and it was very well frequented, but then they are big drinkers!
I see DLR has recommended to An BP to refuse the Bakers Corner plans on the basis of bulk, mass, out of character, effect on adjoining properties etc. Will be interesting to see what way it goes, as I can certainly think of other schemes in the DLR area, especially near the Stillorgan Road that have a similar presence.
I wonder do they get much use.
I've worked on a few D4 luxury schemes with very nice cinema rooms in them. You can usually book them through the concierge for a private party or a business meeting that requires a screening. They are basically just networked screens as opposed to digital projection, but they seat about 30 and are a nice luxury. The place Rod Stewart has just bought his new penthouse near Lansdowne Road has one.
I would think so. I would imagine that the proposed "cinema" in the apartment complex is no more than a room with a big screen that residents can cast their own films to!!
Is the new cinema along with the new gym being built in Stillorgan for the apartment residents only?
Is there nothing sacred?
I couldn't count the number of last minute children's birthday presents that I got here, before dropping the smallies into Bam Bam's for the party with Plexi😁😁.
Nice to see that the plan is to incorporate Nimbles into the proposed development.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/iconic-stillorgan-toy-shop-reaches-for-the-sky-with-plans-for-new-generation-1.4726832
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