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Discuss that with whoever is proposing we should have invaded NI there Bubbly.

That certainly appears to be the case if you follow his twisted logic.

If the UN says you cannot go in to protect your own people, does that mean your people don't need protecting or does it mean the UN is making a political decision because it is acting in the interests of one of it's 5 veto holders?

Do tell us the answer to that Bubbly...seems to me the UN is not the paragon of right some hold it up to be.

I'd be very critical of the UN over the years as a by the way.

You talked about 'Realpoltick' earlier, but its clear now you dont know the meaning of the word....ROFL

And?

We'll never know how other countries would have reacted to Ireland sending in a humanitarian mission to aid people the world could see needed it.

What was the UN gonna do...invade? 😁

Or maybe they'd beat the British and practice their nukes on us, as blanch's fantasies would have you believe.

The very worst that would have happened internationally would be criticism...but who would worry about that if it was the right thing to do. We've been criticised before (as have the British and others btw) big deal.

BTW The British ignore the UN when it suits them.

I am quite sure I said 'if they think it was the right thing to do' then they have to be motivated by that.

I asked you a question you seem happy to avoid:

If the UN/international community say you shouldn't go in, does that mean that your people don't need protection?

Sometimes you have to do what you think is right and to hell with consequences.

The UK would have called on its NATO allies to repel the invasion of their territory. Given the fear in NATO of Soviet influence gaining a base in Ireland, they would have responded with force, supporting the UK.

Do you even understand what a mutual defence pact means? A "humanitarian mission" into Northern Ireland was the equivalent of a declaration of war against NATO. It's a pity Francie didn't put this forward decades ago as the Marx Brothers could have turned his idea into Duck Soup II.

Ah shure let's scaremonger about the Russians now as well.

impossible to have a rational debate with this kind of stuff been thrown out without being put through even the most basic filter - common sense.

Do you realise that nuclear tests were still taking place in 1970, that the use of tactical nuclear weapons was still on the table in NATO? The "flexible response" doctrine was on the table allowing for first use of nuclear weapons in certain situations by NATO.

The Malvinas is seen by Argentina as their own territory in the same way (or even more so) that people like yourself view the North as the territory of Ireland. Like you are proposing, Argentina sent in a humanitarian mission into their own territory to release it from the oppression of the British. We all know what happened.

Now, let's put this simply, you can still keep writing your fantasy comedy scripts of the yokels in the Irish Army heading off on a goodwill humanitarian mission on an incursion into a foreign country, and we can all keep having a laugh at you, or you can drop this nonsense.

We owe an awful lot to Jack Lynch, who stood strong against the misguided warmongerers within his own party who like yourself believed this kind of nonsense.

You said that there is no invasion when you enter your own territory, so Argentina never invaded the Malvinas, making the two "humanitarian missions", your fabled one and the actual Argentine one, directly comparable.

Lynch didn't have an invasion plan, the army were asked to do some scenario work, all of the options that they looked at, including the limited humanitarian mission that you propose, were quickly ruled out on the basis that they would be a disaster. It never went beyond that scenario planning as they had too much sense, unlike the Comedy Gold you are engaged in.

Of course the British nuking Ireland is up there in fantastical terms, because it could only have arisen if we had lost the complete run of ourselves and gone on a mad humanitarian mission as you propose. Once you take the first step into a magical world of heroic Irish Army lads dressed up as nurses on a humanitarian mission, then anything is possible, because the basis you are starting from is not real. My premise is that in some alternative universe where a madman is Taoiseach and orders a humanitarian mission to invade Northern Ireland in 1970, the previous unthinkable response of a British nuclear response becomes one of the potential possible response. However, if you don't take the first step into madness, the mad response can't happen.

Yes, one must always take the most hardline attitude least they are called a WestBrit or some other pejorative.

When is the invasion due anyway? Will it be streamed?

The Russian never invaded Crimea of course, sure its Russia after all!

ROFL

I hesitate to comment here because its all a bit feisty.

However .... genuine question (as I've never heard of this 1970 thing before) - what exactly would have happened during this invasion / humanitarian mission (delete as appropriate) that would have made a lasting change for the lives of NI nationalists (and indeed unionists) over the subsequent 30 years ?