It's kinda like Ballymun, as other countries were finding out the problems with high rise living, the Irish government were ploughing ahead with their own social experiment.
In the UK plenty are coming from the Calais jungle so probably some spill over here.
Ireland is the country they will all come to. We'll be accepting refugees from war-torn France next.
While most other countries are working on securing their borders over here we're introducing policies which will make it easier to play the system.
If people think all they have to do is overstay for a few years until the next amnesty comes along Ireland will be the country they will all come to.
Ah Jaysus OEJ, now it's the dot com bubble? You must be having a laugh if you think that rejig saves your argument based on your historical faux pas. 😂 Oh I'm sure it read right in your head in both cases, but this new update post further confirms the nonsense of your previous one. Unemployment declined from 15.9 percent in 1993 to a historic low of 3.6 percent in 2001. That's after this bubble burst and apparently caused this "ruination of the economy" in Ireland and led the Irish voter pointing the finger at migrants. Eh no. There was a slowdown beween 00 and 02 alright, but we were back up after that and still very much in the fur coat no knickers phase in 2004. The tiger property prices alone peaked three years after the 27th vote. Again to be clear the Irish electorate returned a majority vote(one of the highest of any referendum) against pregnancy passports when things "had never been better".
"Parallel process to implement the recommendation included in the report of the expert advisory group, led by Dr Catherine Day, by allowing international protection applicants who have an outstanding application for international protection and have been in the asylum process for a minimum of two years to apply
There will be no requirement for applicants to demonstrate that they would not be a financial burden on the State,” the plan states.
Ehm Helen McEntee used the term 'once in a generation' - it's even in the article you have linked to .....
That makes little sense since this initiative wouldn't apply to future migrants. It's just for these 17k illegals. In any case, anyone on a work visa faces the same risk, being forced to leave when the employer cancels their visa. Sure, there's a possibility of gaining other work, if your skills are in demand, but the chances are usually slim.
But I get what you're saying.
These are the best bits:
Those with an existing Deportation Order can apply
Having convictions for minor offences will not, of itself, result in disqualification.
I dunno who you heard that from, but it’s not true -
https://ireland.representation.ec.europa.eu/news-and-events/news/ireland-voluntarily-agrees-take-part-eu-schemes-resettle-refugees-2021-02-28_en
For what it’s worth, i think anyone would have an issue when other people would try to interfere with their way of life. It’s generally people who claim that their behaviour towards others on my behalf is justifiable on the basis that anyone is interfering with “our” way of life, that I take issue with, particularly the people with no lawful authority to do so.
At least the US have a choice, whereby we are governed by rules not of our making.
no problems with multiculturalism, it’s here... but if it further impinges on our way of life and wellbeing.. no
It has though?
Ms McEntee's move could be seen as boosting Ireland's bid to seek relief for undocumented Irish in the United States under the Joe Biden presidency.
"I believe that in opening this scheme, we are demonstrating the same goodwill and generosity of spirit that we ask is shown to the countless Irish people who left this island to build their lives elsewhere.”
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40758132.html
I get what you mean, but I think it’s intended to address the exploitation of illegal immigrants in certain industry sectors. They’re unlikely to report their exploitation due to fear of deportation. I don’t know how much of an impact it will have, if any, on those particular cases. I’d imagine many of them will still prefer to remain under the radar than draw attention to themselves from the authorities so that they can maintain their income if nothing else.
right, Irish people did all sorts of things in the past....that has fućk all to do with the present.
People who are eligible under the scheme will:
Those with an existing Deportation Order can apply, if they meet the minimum undocumented residence requirement.
Not disagreeing. Just plucking out the important part to reduce the confusion.
They'll be given the same rights and benefits available to any legal migrant. I still think it's terribly shortsighted and open to abuse, but i think people are exaggerating what's going on.
Personally, my only real issue is with this:
I don't think anyone here illegally should be rewarded with such a thing.
Who suggested it was a once in a generation amnesty, or that it was only intended as a fast track for the hardest of cases?
The details of the scheme are here, with more examples provided as to who may be eligible for the scheme and what the criteria are -
Most people don't care to understand what's been going on. Oh, they'll vote in an election, or a referendum, but once that vote is submitted, most people are content to wash their hands of the whole thing. You say that integration happened through stealth, and then point to all the failed referendums... yeah, no. The way the EU has been going has been well known since the change from the EEC to the EU in 93. We all heard what was going on... if you were interested in knowing what was going on.
However, most people were aware that they had no real control over what was happening, considering that all Irish parties were gung-ho to suck up to the EU. People bitch and moan about the EU now, but are very quick to forget that Irish government(s) were involved throughout the whole process.
There is a general apathy in Ireland about sticking it to our political parties... instead, most people will lean back and allow them to do whatever they want, with little in the way of opposition. The banking crash brought that home to me. I knew it was always there in our society, but that crash really made me understand the apathy and lack of interest most Irish people have in forcing our politicians to put us first.
I'm not terribly inclined to pass the buck to the EU for what has happened. We're responsible. I've started to feel some hope over the last couple of years that we might see some active interest in EU affairs, and also, a movement against our dipshit political parties, but there's still a long way to go.
Here's an example. I've spoken earlier in the thread about how much time I've spent in the south of France. It's always been an area that I've gone throughout my teens and adult life, building up friendships and the like. Want to know a major difference between there and here? They're involved, and interested in what's happening within the EU. They care to be informed about current and future policy changes... even to the point of organising protests and speeches against proposed EU legislation, and making their interests known to their politicians. I'm not going to say that they're any more successful than Irish people are with their politicians.. but they show a serious interest in the EU. Whereas in Ireland, I'd be hardpressed to find any common discussion among most people I know. Oh there's a few, but they follow particular movements or agendas focusing entirely on those issues (farming, fishing, etc) as opposed to the macro issues such as immigration and integration....
So... no... I don't buy into this rage over the EU.. I've spent the last decade mostly living outside of the EU, with regular visits home.. and honestly, with the exception of a few choice areas, the EU has been very good to Ireland. Perhaps you need to be reminded what this country was like in the late 80s...? And leaving the EU now, would put us back there into the 80s.
Have a problem with the EU? Stick it to our political parties because they're the ones' at fault.
Why would anyone think that asylum seekers are to be beneficiaries of this scheme?
I would have presumed the two people in the article are exactly the type, overstaying visas, that this scheme is targeting. Do you want people who cannot pay their way?
The day after this announcement I look to the Irish Times concerning 'undocumented migrants’. Page 2, two articles on the topic, first on how this announcement is welcomed - mainly an overview with comments from an NGO and campaign group.
The second article is from 3 undocumented people. 2 out of 3 (while the 3rd didn't specify) came originally as students (Botswana & Malawi) where the student school/college closed down (has this has any relevance). So, in this example the two beneficiaries are not refugees, not asylum seekers, but rather students who could afford to travel here for educational purposes, avail of our educational visa, outstay that visa and who will now be 'regularised'
When we look to this once in a generation amnesty ‘undocumented migrants’ is sure a catch all and not only a fast track for the hardest of cases.
I dunno how you don’t remember what was referred to as the dot-com bubble? That’s the global crash I was referring to, not the property boom and crash that happened later.
We were a popular destination for economic migrants in the 90’s because we were still largely a manufacturing and agricultural economy, and still when the tech bubble burst, Ireland felt the brunt of it because we had American multinationals here providing mass employment and taking advantage of our low corporate tax rates. Never mind the brickies in Bali, before them there were the IT savvy sorts who would work on contract for six months, being paid more money than they knew what to do with, so for the other six months they went skiing and partied like it was indeed 1999, came back, worked for another six months, gone again. Travel was never my thing so I stayed where I was and didn’t work on contract - the money wasn’t as good in stable employment, but it was still more than I knew what to do with!
Nothing particularly magical happened after 2004 either. It was due to a number of factors that the statistical data changed -
In 1996, Ireland reached its migration "turning point," making it the last EU Member State to become a country of net immigration. The main reason: rapid economic growth created an unprecedented demand for labor across a wide range of sectors, including construction, financial, information technology, and health care. Unemployment declined from 15.9 percent in 1993 to a historic low of 3.6 percent in 2001.
In January 2005, the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform invited non-Irish national parents of Irish-born children who had had their claims suspended in 2003 to apply to remain under the Irish Born Child 2005 Scheme (IBC/05).
Under this scheme, the non-Irish parents of Irish-born children can be granted permission to remain in the country for two years after which they can apply for a renewal of permission. Applicants successful under the renewal process have had their leave to remain renewed for up to three years; at that point, those qualifying are eligible to apply for full citizenship.
Almost 18,000 applications were submitted under the scheme, and of these, almost 16,700 were approved. During 2007, the government made arrangements to process applications for renewal; 14,117 renewals had been granted by the end of 2008.
I think the idea of offering dual-citizenship after a period of time is intended to attract and maintain highly skilled workers, as opposed to addressing the legal status of low skilled workers. Sure, highly skilled immigrant workers rarely have any issues with getting into the country, but the problem is getting them to stay in the country. Ireland addressed this issue with a similar policy -
Analysis of labor force survey data from 2000 to 2005 by researchers Emma Quinn and Philip O'Connell suggests postenlargement policies have indeed resulted in non-EEA nationals more or less maintaining their representation among highly skilled workers, with EU-10 nationals filling skilled and low-skilled positions. In 2003, 3.5 percent of workers employed in semi- and unskilled occupations were EU nationals; by 2005, this proportion had increased to 6.3 percent.
In January 2007, Ireland instituted the Employment Permits Act 2006, a new employment permits system. This system was designed to further reduce the number of work permits issued while increasing Ireland's attractiveness to highly skilled non-EEA workers.
The three main elements to the scheme:
It’s considerably more difficult to attract highly skilled workers from abroad in the first place, without offering them something to keep them in the country. It’s as much an issue with low skilled workers, but a functioning economy needs plenty of both, especially if they can’t be got among the national labour market.
Oh lordy! You come on posting lies as facts, then turns out you don't understand the first thing about what you are complaining about. Embarrassing.
you do realise that nobody has to become a citizen? People can and do live here legally for years, never becoming Irish citizens. It's a choice.
Right, I see you're toying with the notion that regularisation won't lead to citizenship. That's cute.
I'd disagree, most people didn't know the EU was headed for a federal superstate, even today a lot of people aren't aware of it. Its operated through integration by stealth , has suffered a series of humiliating defeats in referendums only for the countries to have to vote again or get outright ignored like I pointed out previously regarding the French and Dutch rejection of an EU constitution, only for them to turn back to integration by stealth and bring it back as the Lisbon treaty, which was made " unpenetrable" to the public as D'Estaing put it, even removing language referring to constitution,flags, anthems symbols to hide its political ambitions and cut off any calls for referendums on it.
You have your head somewhere you shouldn't.
Noone is granting citizenship to undocumented migrants.
Seriously, if you don't understand something you really shouldn't embarrass yourself complaining about it.
Maybe you can educate me then by telling me what proportion of those granted citizenship under this latest "scheme to regularise undocumented migrants" are illegal.
Either you are trying to suggest something that didn't at all happen, for some underhand reason or you honestly haven't a clue and need to go educate yourself 🙄
Sure, maybe they're all legit applications that are just being hurried along. That's why they have to be given citizenship under a special "once-in-a-lifetime" scheme.
You do know that people applying for citizenship are not asylum seekers don't you?
They're not illegal immigrants either.
So absolutely not the same thing, not in the slightest.
You're right. I got the number wrong.
There was an amnesty for over 17,000 (possibly 22,000 or 28,000) long-term (bogus) asylum claims.
It's hard to pin down the numbers on account of the slippery way Shatter phrases things:
"When the Government came into office 15 months ago on 9th March 2011, there was an enormous backlog of approximately 22,000 citizenship applications awaiting decision. Approximately 17,000 of these had been waiting in a barely moving queue for in excess of 6 months with an average waiting time in excess of two years. Some, indeed, had waited 3 to 4 years. I am proud that, since I came to Office, I have made decisions on nearly 28,000 applications for citizenship."
https://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/SP12000186
So the point remains, this isn't a once-in-a-lifetime event. It happened before.
Also, Charlie Flanagan stated that "20,000 minors have been granted Irish citizenship over the last five years."
https://www.bitchute.com/video/dH3YbwgaeCOP/
How many adults were granted citizenship then, if there were 20,000 minors? Let me guess, was it 17,000 again?
Notice how we never get clear numbers. We have to infer them from remarks that justice ministers let slip from time to time.
So that's 17,000 under Shatter, 17,000 (at a guess) under Flanagan, and another 17,000 under McEntee. That's 51,000 in less than ten years, that we know about.
Sure we did. We knew that the EU would evolve and gain greater control over Europe. We didn't know it would manifest the way it has, but let's not play the innocent card here. We knew what we were getting ourselves into when we accepted all that lovely investment from Europe.... Seems like people are forgetting what things were like before the Celtic Tiger and the knowledge that we needed Europe to get out of the hole that past governments put us in.
The EU/Brussels is only part of the problem. Our own politicians have generally failed to put the interests of Irish people ahead of foreign groups. They've been only too happy to go to Brussels with their cap in hand, fawning over the bigger European nations (France/Germany in particular), and that has resulted in the extremely pro-multiculturalism stance that exists.
The EU needs to re-evaluate it's position on immigration (which is actually happening), but we bear some responsibility for not standing up before this. As usual, we waited for other nations to take that step before us.. and still we're hedging, waiting to see what will happen before committing ourselves. Nah.. Irish people are as much to blame for what's happened with the EU as any other group.
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