Obviously. You think they should be removed? Where will you find them?
Nothing to do with naturalisation of illegal immigrants, so just lies!
They are in Ireland. Are you aware of the topic being discussed?
Back up a prediction? Not possible. And I don't have to do anything.
You can read about Shatter here:
https://www.thejournal.ie/visa-immigration-ireland-2012-737991-Jan2013/
You will have to back this up.
Link is above in my previous post.
link?
We also had a previous "once in a lifetime" citizenship scheme in our lifetimes when Alan Shatter took the unprecedented step of naturalising 80,000 illegals in 2012.
There will be an unending series of "once in a lifetime" citizenship amnesties such as these.
It's not incompetence.
Where are they?
What would be better is to remove them from the country.
That's as far as I am aware. I agree it is breaking the law. Government have decided to regulate a certain number of these people, it's better then them being illegal.
So some overstayed their vivas to stay in the country ilegally ?
That's still law breaking and should not be rewarded.
Marketing spin, and propaganda spread. undocumented gives a better impression than "illegal". They're prepping the Irish population for acceptance.
I do find it interesting that RTE haven't done any in-depth investigation of the overall situation. Instead, reports are given in small installments, or just added at the end of other reports (which have already encouraged the belief that all migrants are innocent, are in need of help, and are a definite benefit to the nation).
TBH I find it more interesting the way Irish people just accept all this conditioning.... people will be quick to point to China or Russia for how the media is twisted to serve governmental policies.. but there's little to no consideration of how much western governments are doing the same. Oh, the issues involved are different, but the methods used are pretty much the same.
I'm not sure there is any suggestion that the entered illegally necessarily. Just that they stayed in illegally. Although, I obviously don't know the details of all applications
Should have posted the CSO link earlier. There is detailed info on what they are trying to achieve, the limitations of the research and the updated statistics.
Stunning that our population has just been revised upwards by 5% and barely a mention of it. Anyway thanks to the CSO for trying to get a handle on what the actual figures are.
There are legal ways to enter a country, why is Ireland rewarding law breakers ?
It's all about unfetterd growth. Keep the economy growing at any cost. Whether it be at the cost of present taxpayers or future ones.
A ponzi scheme like the Celtic tiger only when it goes bust this time your going to be left with a whole lot more mouths to feed that weren't our responsibility to feed in the first place.
This scheme was just mentioned at the very end of the news bulletin on Classic Hits FM. The Justice minister spoke. Couple of things I noted:
There is no doubt in my mind this will become a regular scheme rolled out every 5-10 years. This will attract even greater numbers into this country. It's simply unsustainable and unfair.
McEntee has to be one of the most incompetent justice ministers since Sean Doherty back in 1982 and that's saying something. Between this & her decision to appoint a supreme court Judge all by herself even though she doesn't have that authority, the question has to be asked, who does she really think she is??
This is a decision with far reaching consequences which will affect current & future generations. What kind of a message is it sending out to people who want to come here to live & work illegally. Ah sure, after 3 or 4 years, you'll be grand and even if you don't have a job then, you'll be set up with a free social house amongst many other generous welfare benefits. You don't need to go through the proper process of obtaining a visa & citizenship. Its a smack in the face of people who have gone through that process actually.
Our population is rising fast, theres a major housing crisis across Dublin and the other cities in Ireland, public services are generally piss poor, our public transport & infrastructure is way behind where it should be, our state finances are diabolical & this is the type of thing the government is doing about those problems, adding more fuel to the fire. Fine Gael & likes of McEntee, Varadkar, Madigan, Harris, Coveney need to be gotten rid of with a sense of urgency. Wannabe progressive, woke, liberal arseholes.
The sad part is that it doesn't have to be that way, if it was properly managed. Resources allocated towards a planned drive to educate and integrate all these undocumented right from the start, with the govt learning from this situation, in how to prevent it from happening again.
However, I seriously doubt that will be the case, and this is just another deflection away from the issues at hand. This is 17k (although the number seems to change depending on who is talking) undocumented workers that were supposedly identified before covid... how many new undocumented have come into Ireland since then? It's not as if the government has implemented new ways to prevent them from coming here, and even under the covid restrictions, there are plenty of ways into Ireland.
This is simply typical of Irish politics and government in general. We F'up, let's just accept everyone in, and pretend it didn't happen, except as a gesture to show how wonderful we are.
Agreed. The consequences for this country long term aren't going to be good.
I'd say it's more to do with appearing to be "progressive". We've taken the mantle of the right on Tumblr blog of Europe from the Swedes(and look where that got them). Plus it's pretty obvious a fair chunk of our authorities didn't see this coming, didn't prepare for it, didn't see how the birth citizenship thing back in the day would lead to this level of influx, so are papering up their screwups with appearing to be happy with it all and isn't it such a wonderful thing to be so "diverse". It's more optics than anything.
Just agreeing with the start of your post. The "discussions" are depressingly predictable.
"That doesn't happen."
"What about these examples from a cursory Google?"
"Must be something else/I don't know but I'm sure it's fine/It's none of our business/Why do you care?/You're a racist".
The government have decided to regulate the status of those undocumented. Therefore they will not face any consequences. That's obvious. Not hard to understand. As I said, I doubt anyone that took advantage will be held accountable either.
Just doing some quick math, because I'm a bit of a nerd...
There has been no discussion or debate about this increase of a quarter of million people by any politicians that I know of. Imagine if this happened in another country. It would be the equivalent of America suddenly adding 16,500,000 to their population totals or the UK adding 3,500,000.
Mind-blowing stuff. Clearly someone is benefiting massively, I assume landlords and business people.
How would I answer those questions? Would you suggest I make something up?
I'm not sure what your second question means, but I'll say again, I think anyone who has taken advantage of these people should be held accountable. Anybody.
In that post, You highlighted those who benefited from the illegals, while ignoring the illegals themselves.
As for anything being your decision, that's irrelevant. This is a matter of opinions on the topic.
I have never said that. The government has decided to regulate the status of some 17,000 'undocumentated' people here.
So, those people will not be held responsible. I doubt the people who took advantage will be held responsible, I believe they should.
None of this is my decision
Hold on a second. So... anyone who takes advantage, or benefits from using illegals should be held accountable... but the illegals themselves shouldn't be held accountable for their choices to live here illegally?
Seriously?
Except that in many cases, undocumented migrants won't need to register or declare themselves due to the rights available to all people living in Ireland. We don't have any kind of system where all records are shared among departments. The introduction of the PPS code for people was a step towards that, but there are many services which are available without any need for one. Illegals have the right to a variety of services... without needing to change their status.
I'd suggest that you take a look at the range of services that illegals can avail of in Ireland... and also consider some of the articles relating to government departments which stated that they won't keep track of illegals after they've been identified. Even the Gardai, often release illegals back into society after they've been caught, without requiring them to register or become legal.
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