How would a journalist be a state employee.? The examiner paper is a corporate body.I don't deliberately edit and add more to confuse anyone. it just occurs to me
Oh you knowwwww.... You edit later and add bits 😅 I'm used to the ways of the soulster now so always double check later 😆
Havent a notion. Are journos state employees now? I'm as lost as yourself.
I'm open to other suspects however, unlike some others on here.
i was reading Hercule Poirot last week. He said everything should be considered
No, I actually believe Bailey is innocent, but I think he could do a full and honest hour long interview to clear up certain hazy issues with his narrative.
I think you are the only poster on this thread who genuinely fits the bill of a 'Bailey fan'.
You attack anyone who raises the possibility he isn't perfect.
Have you ever met him? What would you say to him if you did?
What ya talkin' bout now scoobs? That is how you quote here. Ain't no shady thang no how
Do you know what he means by cassidy was a state employee? Cassidy worked for the examiner
Cassidy, as a journalist with the Irish Examiner in Cork City
would have had contacts in the Gardaí in the city who would have known early on about the murder.
As mentioned earlier, Bannasidhe knew of the murder as she was prepping for lunch around noon.
It's quite possible she learned about the murder from Alfie,
but she did say knowledge of the murder was widespread around Cork city by then.
Cassidy got his knickers in a twist with the timings of his phone conversations as Crime boy points out;
Let's say for argument's sake it was the Doctor and Cassidy had revealed it. What would have been the effect? The medical council would have informed their members never to leak details to Eddie Cassidy again? You do not know much about the real world.
Now soulster, you're doing that shady post editing thang again where the other poster looks stoopid for not answering you 🤣
You know what I think. I think it was a detective Garda. I don't think it can be solved, since it was covered up, unless Harris is actually going to get to the bottom of it. A deathbed confession, whilst in my opinion, credible - knowing quite a lot about it, is merely hearsay and no use unless its investigated properly. I don't have those resources.
You know the good cop bad cop routine? Sometimes you get the real goodie goodie. Like one or two more here who likes to say that even though I wouldn't think so, we can't really discount Bailey, can we?
All he has to do is a full and frank interview? You're trying to distract from what's been determined here, that there has been a high level cover-up. And you're a low level pawn in that game
since you do not answer my question and are behaving in an abusivey and childish way i will be ignoring your future input. you do not know much about journalism. you said
For whatever reason, one of the first actions of some Guard (it must be as why would Cassidy not give the source if it was anyone else?)
LOL
What in the name of the sweet baby jesus in the cradle are you rabbiting on about?
Are you a teenager?
Since you're so innocent?
They are not my ethics
no journalist will reveal their source for reasons i gave above which are : Journalistic ethics and knowing no one would ever trust him again.
No one would ever deal again with any journalist who give away their sources. Bailey would not be his last story. you do not know much about journalism if you think a journalist would name a source who was not a garda
what do you mean Cassidy was a state employee? It does make any difference. Journalists do not reveal sources
Are you insane?
That frank interview would dispel any doubts would it? I have no such doubts that Bailey had nothing to do with this murder but I have plenty of doubts about people like you who come on all innocent(e.g. why is he so cagey) with the idea that we really don't know do we? It's a figure of speech, I have no doubts about you.
False!
from what I can see anyway.
You're to be taken seriously with your ethics. Cassidy was a state employee on an indirect payroll. If you don't know that wake the f up
There are quite a few people who have given what appears to be barely credible evidence and opinion in this case, that if one was convinced they'd lied one might consider them, without knowing the full story, as low-lifes. But that would be unfair. Only if they were to persist with obvious lies would one be justified in thinking that this label was appropriate. At the very least.
what was to stop Cassidy naming the source if it wasn't a Guard?
Journalistic ethics and knowing no one would ever trust him again. But he was shown up by phone records to be lying
Cassidy is a journalist. Why would he reveal his source, garda or otherwise? He was under no obligation to do so.
Do you really believe that Camier heard nothing about the murder until the 24th? You see you paint an image of him having a brainfart two years after the murder and it all suddenly came back to him. But of course he always knew that Jules had been the first to tell him about it on the morning of the 23rd. He just didn`t realize that it was a significant piece of evidence. The vast majority don`t obsess about the detail of this case.
FFS, Bannashide, an acquaintance of Alfie's, heard about the murder of the French woman before 12pm. And she was in Cork City. This timing thing is just more pointless nonsense. The people who found the body were not breaking any rules by talking about it. That's not a leak.
One thing I don't understand is why Bailey is cagey about what he knew and when he knew it. Assuming he is innocent, why doesn't he just lay it all out there? Surely he has nothing left to lose?
Possibly he doesn't remember because he was drunk a lot of the time but won't admit that because then someone could say 'maybe you killed her and don't remember it.'
Still, I believe Bailey has yet to do a completely full and frank interview about this case and that isn't helping him.
Ooo, there it is!!
Fancy. So fancy 😆
what
fancy pants quotations
do you mean? This is the only way I know to quotes Scoobs
I already asked the obvious question; what was to stop Cassidy naming the source if it wasn't a Guard?
Otherwise you still believe that while Cassidy was busy trying to ascertain what had happened, Ian and Jules were actively spreading the news? And we're expected to take your seriously. Do you really believe that by evening when news of a murder started to spread around Goleen, Camier never thought to say to anybody that he had heard the big story at 11.30 that morning and in fact didn't remember this 'fact' for 2 years. You're beyond ridiculous.
"Bailey Minions"
"Bailey sympathisers"
Note the rethoric of some contributers..I would say most people are neither Minions or sympathisers. Just people who expect hard evidence...
I am however, a Sophie sympathiser.
You see the problem with all of this is that by 11-53, the Gardaí knew, Alfie and Shirley knew (Alfie had been ringing the neighbours), the priest knew and the doctor knew. Yet you choose to blame the Gardaí for the leak because it suits your agenda when the reality is that Cassidy`s source could have been any one of several people. Given the talk about scanners here recently, (and they were widespread back then),it seems to me that you can`t discount some amateur radio enthusiast getting on the phone to Cassidy to tell him what was going on. So unless you know the source, there is no embarrassment for anybody really now is there?
In any event, this kind of leaking goes on all the time and it isn`t a big deal until the Bailey sympathizers need a straw to clutch, so they can kick up a big storm about a whole lot of nothing because it`s all one big conspiracy don`t ya know. I believe Bailey when he says that Cassidy was the first to tell him. It has always been a big problem for him when you consider Leftwick, Fuller and Camier. But then he couldn`t say anyone told him before Cassidy did because it wouldn`t have been true and the individual would have denied it.
The Gate.
The gate was open on discovery of body.
There was blood (e.g garda number indicators) on both sides.
True/false.
In summarising information regarding Cassidy the DPP said;
"This means that Cassidy's source had informed him of the murder prior to 11.53 a.m.
on 23 December 1996.
The Gardaí did not arrive at the scene of the murder until 10.38 a.m. on 23 December
1996.
Therefore, Cassidy's source had informed him about the incident within a short time of
the Gardaí hearing of the murder."
AND
"This Office asked the Gardaí "who is the reliable source who informed Eddie Cassidy
about the incident which contact led Cassidy to phone Bantry Garda Station at 11.53
a.m. on the 23rd of December 1996 seeking Superintendent Twomey?".
The answer given by D/Sgt. Hogan is that Eddie Cassidy will not disclose his source. "
For whatever reason, one of the first actions of some Guard (it must be as why would Cassidy not give the source if it was anyone else?) almost immediately after the body was discovered was to tell a journalist on a well known newspaper.
If the defence lawyers in a trial had this information, you believe it wouldn't be a major embarrassment in light of Bailey's obvious truthfulness as to his first knowledge of the murder versus the attempt to place him at the scene earlier than he could have known? Any jury would have seen this for the ham-fisted attempt at a stitch up it was, along with the manipulation of witnesses.
But we shouldn't lose sight of the big picture. The main issue is the bringing into the investigation someone as senior as the head of the GNDU and how subsequently the DPP received a file that was designed to fall flat. Interesting you are quick to agree the DPP was doing the Guards a favour by not bringing a charge, but he wasn't given any choice with the bouquet of shite he received from the investigators. Bailey was to be convicted in the court of public opinion, which two arrests ensured. That is an impressive cover-up.
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