What do people make of this overhanging [public] building?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118250456#Comment_118250456

So the island is safer than the pedestrian exit/entrance to the public area that it abuts?

People do observe road markings, but people are, not unsurprisingly, not expecting a piece of pavement to appear out of now-where without any warning.

Would you consider it acceptable to have a 1m wide hole in the middle of the road, so long as it has some yellow hatching around it?

Clearly this "island" is an issue as the close up shows evidence of multiple impacts. Its very atypical to have an island such as this without any sort of sign warning or graduated incursion into the roadway, they are not just lumps of concrete dumped into the roadway.

Calvin001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118248982#Comment_118248982

In July 2018 there were warning signs....... in 2021 they were not there...

i cannot sue the council if i crash into somebody because traffic lights are non-functional, for example.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118250254#Comment_118250254

i don't see the conflation i presume you are suggesting, between their provision to try to reduce the number of people driving into stationary objects, and their lack somehow absolving people of responsibility of driving into stationary objects (especially in the daylight).

i will say though that whoever painted the double yellow lines needs to go on some sort of remedial course.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118250341#Comment_118250341

There possibly are, but the footpath "island" was chosen. On the lead up to it there's yellow hatching and there's double yellow lines around it.

Do people drive not paying attention to road markings?

It's an entrance to the pedestrian square, there's public toilets there, parking around the perimeter of the square, so fairly touristy.

So the "island" gives a save place to cross from one tourist attraction to another.

You could spend the day giving alternatives.

The OP hit a footpath, his fault no one else's.

UsBus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118250138#Comment_118250138

Probably none, I'm not sure there is any case at all given the expected speed for that street whatever the limit may be. The overall project finish in that location could be questioned. As it stands the curb is not really well thought out/highlighted properly. It looks like an after thought to stop trucks etc. catching the structure jutting out. If its a traffic island, it should be painted to clearly identify it to oncoming traffic.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118250305#Comment_118250305

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118250299#Comment_118250299

There is all manner of frontage onto an existing open pedestrian space that could have avoided this step in the roadway.

It also doesnt appear that that is the entrance to anything?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118250261#Comment_118250261

the kerb exists to protect pedestrians entering the building.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118250261#Comment_118250261

I would have assumed it was for pedestrians to stand on as they crossed from the NAC building to the castle grounds and vice versa.

Also the footpath on the other side of the road that gives access to residential housing.

There is a pedestrian access point there.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118250138#Comment_118250138

The assumption is that the curb exists to protect the overhang.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118249938#Comment_118249938

Super, so now that we have covered what they are not for, can you answer my question as to what they are for, why are they needed?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118250176#Comment_118250176

It would appear he is the owner of that car!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118250160#Comment_118250160

Ah they were too mesmerized by the overhang 😂😂😂

Rikand

the building is grand. Its the car parked on the right hand side that is the problem. You should be suing the owner of that car

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118250149#Comment_118250149

if the OP had deflected their steering wheel a little to the right they wouldn't be in this mess.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118250138#Comment_118250138

Deflection of blame!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118250109#Comment_118250109

what bearing does the overhang have on the OP hitting the kerb?

UsBus

Just went up the full length of that O'Rahilly Street on the Streetview. It's a fairly tight stretch in the run up to the council building. Not sure what the speed limit is but I'd reckon the council would make the case that it would be well below the requirement to blow two tyres.

I'd agree with other posters that the overhang of the building is pretty poor. If you're making a case OP, go with the overhead map view, it looks particularly bad. I don't know why they didn't angle the glass structure in a couple of feet on the O'Rahilly side to bring it inside the boundary wall. Looks like a Dermot Bannon glass box special....

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118249888#Comment_118249888

these don't absolve people of the requirement to pay attention to where they're driving their car.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118249849#Comment_118249849

the overhang of the building has no bearing on the OP hitting the kerb.

De Bhál

Don't know you'd get two punctured tyres hitting that kerb?

Very poor building design there. Look back at the old Google Maps images from 2009. Clean run up that road.

How did they get away with cantilevering that over the wall.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118249879#Comment_118249879

Why do we have traffic cones and warning signs so?

McGrath5

The OP needs to pay better attention to their driving, saying they did not see the footpath / kerb is just not good enough, they didn't see it because they weren't looking.

The overhead maps view shows how much the building overhangs the road, its actually quite considerable.

Also going back to 2009 it appears there was a gate at that location, it seems that this path exists purely to allow pedestrians get to the open area in front of the building, would have made much more sense to open directly onto that area and leave the road un obstructed.

OP I'd bring a claim, whats the worst that can happen? Especially if someone else has already raised the same concern, same with pot holes, if the council have received a previous complaint then that changes their liability I believe.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118249457#Comment_118249457

The OP isn't exactly being 100% sincere I don't think anyway.

This thread surely belongs in the motors forum as it's a motors issue.

He's trying to throw some secondary argument that the building shouldn't overhang in case a truck hits it. On the little research I've done, basically trying to find the speed limit on the road, but it looks like trucks are banned from the majority of the roads so it's a moot point.

Also the entrance to this particular road is extremely narrow in my opinion you'd be hard pressed to get anything larger than a "white goods delivery van" through it. So again reinforcing the moot point.

He made a mistake he hit a footpath, own it and move on.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118221359#Comment_118221359

Did the incident take place on a rainy night?

post #2 asks that question and the OP dodges it in his reply.

bucketybuck

Don't all footpaths protrude into the road? Not sure I get that part.

I also don't understand how the OP didn't see that kerb, and how they damaged two tyres rather than just one? Did the incident take place on a rainy night? If it was on a clear day like in the photos then how can you not see it?

Maybe there is some legal loophole to do with signage that gets the OP the result he wants, but there are a few awkward questions there that he would want to be prepared to answer if he pursues this.

machiavellianme

The previous signs could have said anything. Perhaps they were a "Caution Children" sign or a "No parking" or "Clearway"?

The obligation is on the driver to pay care to their surroundings. If it was a pedestrian/animal or another car or a great big hole in the ground, that's on the driver to avoid.