Just got this in a forwarded post, looks like morning rush hour chaos looming for the 24th.
https://www.facebook.com/Irish-Truckers-Haulage-Association-Against-Fuel-Prices-105854695208835/
They seem like reasonable prices for the current time, especially if you take into account inflation over the past 20/30 years. 50c for an egg is good value. 50c for a glass of milk is good value. The current prices are too low.
Also once again as has been said many times in a free market if your costs go up and so do everyone else's you should put up your prices.
Tell people that when their milk is €2 liter or their eggs €3 for six
BS - carbon taxes started in 2008 in the war on petrol.
The Greens thought CO2 - which is plant food - was a bad thing, so they waged war on petrol powered vehicles and used the tax stick to beat people with and mostly eliminated petrol powered vehicles from the country, replacing all of them with diesels.
Apart from nox, Diesel emissions contain the most potent carcinogen ever discovered:
"The compound, 3-nitrobenzanthrone, produced the highest score ever reported in an Ames test, a standard measure of the cancer-causing potential of toxic chemicals."
CO2 is not a human health hazard, but both nox and 3-nitrobenzanthrone are. The Greens and their policy are responsible for the deaths of Irish people, if the epidemiologists pronouncements on deaths due to lung diseases blamed on diesel emissions are to be believed
Now fast forward to 2017 when that fool Ryan sheepishly admits he regrets these policies, but the Greens and the government have done nothing to reverse what hey admit was bad policy. The stupid imbalance in excise on petrol vs Diesel still exists, even though the Greens and government have admitted they were wrong. It bears repeating that people have died, and continue to do so, and the government has not reversed it's punitive tax policy against petrol.
Carbon taxes are wrong and pointless and the government can not be trusted on their 'eco' BS because they don't understand the science and are incompetent.
I'm with the hauliers on this one.
Ireland is insignificant in the global emissions standings.
The mighty Joe Biden didn't even sign the declaration to phase out coal energy production.
Irish people put under all this extra stress and hardship and for what? When the fate of climate change depends on America, China and India mostly.
The funny thing is Europe etc are all for improving living standards in the 3rd world countries. What happens if they come out of poverty? They'll be consumers like the rest of the world going on holidays, buying cheap **** from China etc.
Complete waste of time!
The peat scandal shared on the same page is the "organisation" for this protest was not the greens it was an NGO that want to protect Ireland's natural heritage and biodiversity. The reason the carbon tax now is a shock is that it was not phased in after Kyoto in 1992 when it was clearly going to be necessary. Back then the greens were nowhere near power (they had 3 TDs). And our government at the time for fear of being out-competed by countries that didn't and because the politicians were not brave enough to follow the science or plan more than 5 years out. Science hasn't changed. Any country that had started back then would be streets ahead now. The exact current issue is more down to oil price and OPEC but it shows where the carbon tax will take us over time and given Diesel engines will be banned in the future people need to plan. Also once again as has been said many times in a free market if your costs go up and so do everyone else's you should put up your prices.
Blocking the Luas, absolute scumbag carry-on.
I see there's a rolling blockade of the M50 southbound now. Slow handclap for these geniuses.
No one talking about the elephant in the room here.. If hauliers are at risk of going bust, why did the IRHA refuse to back the protest..
because fuel is a cost of business for a haulier, if it increases then pass on the extra cost to your customers.. which is what most IRHA members have done..
ironic that a lot of the hauliers involved in today are the same hauliers who would cut each other’s throats over €10 on a load..
The solution is simple, stop working for **** money, and turn down the work from someone who won’t pay, now is the time of year to push the rates up with the pre Christmas rush.. The days of getting €150 for a container delivery around Dublin need to end..
Not that all of the solutions lie with the hauliers, the freight forwarders and wider freight industry need to up their games too.. Far too many operators that rely on their name to win business while paying **** to their subcontractors and doing nothing to add value
The Greens got kicked out in 2011 and had zero politicians in government. They had 2 after 2015 and only in 2020 did they win enough seats to go into government with FF/FG as a minor party. Maybe you can explain how the Greens are to blame?
The greens are a joke and are just as much to blame for the current state of the country as the others. They were propping up the bent FF for years and now they're propping up FG and FF while bringing in their own agendas that will cripple the country while areas the size of Mayo and Galway are being deforested in the amazon!
The tax doesn't nothing but is a stick to beat people with, esp those with no affordable alternatives on offer, and concocted by the already well-off.
Green policy is all stick and (ironically) very little carrot.
Carbon tax was introduced and back by all political parties, along with the Paris Agreement
The Greens agenda is to push everyone onto public transport which would in fact be perfect for the lorries who are protesting today becaue
1. It would free up the road
2 It would mean less diesel cars which would mean less fines for diesel and cheaper cost for running.
At this moment in time the Greens should be what truck drivers want in power.
The biggest problem I have with carbon tax is that it is supposed to be used to reduce carbon in Ireland but in reality it is thrown in with the rest of the tax take and doesn't help the environment at all.
And then what? There is never a palatable time to increase taxes.
Anyway, the increase is actually quite small, but what is important is the direction of travel. If the population believes that the cost of diesel is going to be ever more expensive as time goes on, then they are far more likely to switch to higher efficiency vehicles now. That's true for haulage as well.
Carbon tax was the straw.
They should have held off until inflation stabilised in a few years.
Moron greens and their fantasies.
The protests are directed in completely the wrong direction. If it is not economical then the issue is with the prices paid for transport and that is where their ire should be directed.
Same logic applies to the food & drink as well (I spent over a decade working in an international energy major, and I've seen the numbers for quite a few networks that we bought, bid on or sold over those years).
One you decide the level of service / operation, then costs of running a service station are relatively fixed - other than your cost of sales - the gross margin generated from both the fuel and non-fuel operations both go to pay the fixed costs, and to generate net profit above and beyond that.
Applegreen - not a company I dealt with - working off public info from their annual report - made EBITDA of €140.4m in 2019 - their Selling&Distribution costs of €300m. Their GP from Fuel was €141.5m and the GP from non-Fuel was €430.5m. The non-Fuel operations - for the model of stations Applegreen operate - would make up at least half of the €300m S&D costs (staffing for the food/bev operations and additional floorspace needed - and Applegreen tend to go for a high level of food/bev service to justify mainly selling very high margin food/bev products). Go to an unmanned fuel operation and they'd reduce those costs even more. There's plenty of profit to be made from both streams of the business - both could be profitable if operated on a standalone basis, but both are highly complimentary to the other so it doesn't make sense to operate a service station without a food/bev offering unless going down the super low-cost unmanned route like DCC and Maxol have experimented with in Ireland.
In terms of your comment on margin transport fuel retail doesn't work on the basis of % margin - it's assessed on cent per litre margins. Underlying price of oil (and the tax elements) are too volatile to operate off percentage markups. Take whatever your cost of product is, and then try and achieve your target cpl margin on top of that. It's a volume business when selling fuel. Average fuel per customer is typcially around the 30 litre mark - compared to the food/drink products when average spend is more price driven.
Nah, primary school kids have imagination at least.
Yet every single time someone wants to protest they do the exact same
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result
Ones like this are always going to fail. Protests that don't engage people to convince others that something needs to change but instead are be disruptive to strongarm change to get you to go away have always failed in Ireland.
I cannot think of a single instance of blocking the city that has resulted in a policy change.
Protests are good. Driving like a clown at slow speed around Dublin is idiotic and has been shown over multiple times to achieve absolutely nothing.
At this stage protestors have no imagination, every clown in the country wants to protest, has a meeting
"what will we do lads"
"let's block the M50 at rush hour"
"is it not blocked already at rush hour"
"Yes but we will block it more"
"Excellent idea"
If you had a group of primary school kids they could come up with it.
Definitely the stupidest thing I'll read today, well done 🙄
It is similar to the price in Europe, cheaper than a lot of places.
People like you think protests are futile.
My point exactly about 1916. It didn't change anything right away, but it paved the way for change and was influential in starting the movement.
C'mon nearly all of the price is excise, close to 60%.
I am sure I will regret this, but what has 1916 got to do with this?
Also you do realise 1916 was a failure. It didn't bring about Ireland independence.
Some of the lads in this thread, if they were in charge in 1916, Boris Johnson would be our PM now.
If they have problems with the price of fuel they should take it up with the guys who set the prices https://www.opec.org/opec_web/en/contact/356.htm
I think they also get a duty rebate as well.
Fair dues to them making a stand .. prices of everything with increase dramatically if govt continue to get away increasing taxes on fuel , particularly at a time when fuel prices are up due to supply … there was no logic to it ..
and for those that say the protest does nothing … already resulted in the issue being brought up the dail … wouldn’t have happened otherwise as govt are well able to pretend “nothing to see here”
eamon Ryan is king of that .. refusing to answer questions regarding his area on numerous times
