Unfortunately many dead including children after car drives into Xmas parade in Wisconsin. The terrorist is BLM member Darrell Brooks I'm not going to give the guy oxegen people can look him up themselves but obvious white people hater and BLM supporter.
May they rest in peace.
Unless he admits he intended to carry out a racist killing by use of motor vehicle we can never be 100%. But based on his views on white people I’m going to assume it was an intentional race based killing. It might have been spur of the moment but there is no way he would have ran that number of his own race down.
How exactly is this terrorism?
And why would you want it to be?
The picture of the two towers was just from the wiki page and has nothing to do with the definition of terrorism.
How would you define terrorism?
No. There was no police chase. The police chief has confirmed this.
I don't believe anyone thinks this is terrorism but to say he didn't intensionaly kill people is a little loopy tbh.
I've also read from her website that
'First Degree Intentional Homicide
Wisconsin Statute 940.01 defines first-degree intentional homicide as an act committed by any person causing the death of another person with the intent to kill that person or another person.'
And
An intentional homicide committed with "just cause" can be mitigated from first degree intentional homicide to second degree intentional homicide. Examples of just cause might be an imperfect self defense, adequate provocation (heat of passion crimes), unnecessary defense force, prevention of a felony, coercion or necessity. [Mitigating Circumstances].
So I believe my initial point still stands, in that the police believe his intent was to kill.
Oh wait. Look at a past atrocity but dont look too closely at current one
Thanks for that. Though I'm not sure it necessarily negates the point I was making. I need to think about it a bit more tbh before I give a proper reply.
People need to understand the definitions of certain offences in the USA.
Ireland is simple, if you intend to kill or seriously injure someone and then you cause their death, that's murder.
If you don't intend to do either of the above, but cause someone s death then that's manslaughter ( or maybe dangerous driving causing death)
The states have varying degrees of murder, so intentional homicide does not mean premeditated necessarily, but it's also not just a byproduct of someone's actions.
Personally, I think we need varying degrees of murder in Ireland also.
Can't access the actual state definition of intentional homicide at the moment, possibly the site has crashed. But here is a bit of explanation of the relevant state laws and what they mean. The words used for laws don't always match with how we'd use words like intentional in everyday language.
"Wisconsin laws do not include a crime known as unintentional homicide. An unintentional homicide - perhaps referred to as an accidental homicide - can still be charged by the state (or the federal government) as a crime. The actual charges that the prosecuting attorney will seek will depend on the circumstances and events leading up to the death, as well as the state's case and the elements of the crime that the prosecuting attorney believes he or she will be able to prove at trial.
Without Intent
Intent is one of the elements that must be proven in most crimes; however, the legal definition of "intent" differs from the common perception of the word. An intent under the law merely means that the person intended to do that act which then resulted in the commission of a crime. For example, a drunk driver might not intend to cause a death or even an accident, but if he or she got behind the wheel of a car and drove it, then the intent to drive (which then resulted in a death) is the intent element of the crime of vehicular homicide."
http://www.attorneytraceywood.com/IntentionalvsUnIntentional.cshtml
Not when he has been charged with intentional homicide it's not, the hint is in the term intentional.
But that is you putting your biases onto the motives of his actions. The view I've seen which you are potentially referring to shows people being hit after a change in direction across the road, but the road is just as full of other people in the parade on the other side which he came from, and the video is partially obscured by a tree(?) , and there are even more people in the crowd at the side of the road watching which he doesn't drive through.
The footage that I have seen shows a deliberate attempt to maximize casualties and inflict damage. The SUV was not driven in a straight line but instead, it was maneuvered and as used as a weapon. The video is graphic and disturbing so it cant be posted on here.
Yes, there was opportunity to drive into more people if that was his intention. Various videos I saw he was driving down one side or other of the road, which was not the bits of the route with most people on if maximum destruction was the aim.
Intending to hit people out of the way with his car and zero care for the consequences, yes. And that likely meets the definition of the type murder that he's been charged with.
Kill as many people as possible, I don't think so.
Possibly. Nobody knows that though.
The court will try and figure that out, but what we've be told so far gives zero indication as to what was going through their mind at the time yet.
Occam’s razor would suggest a car driven through a crowd was mean to be driven through a crowd unless control was clearly lost.
That a route through a crowd “could get more dangerous” doesn’t mean much - are you saying be could have killed more were he a smarter driver? 40 were injured anyway.
Someone watching videos from thousands of miles away can give their point of view based on the what they see, that's what happens on a discussion forum right?
Nobody knows the motive of the mass murderer yet, but the anger that anyone should even be curious about the motive is incredibly telling.
We see you.
Surely I can't be the only one who's absolutely baffled by statements like this?
It's like describing shooting into a crowd of people with a gun as "reckless and avoidable". How is mowing people down a clustered crowd of people at speed in an SUV any different? The outcome of both scenarios is obvious.
The mind boggles.
Poster did mot say that. None of us know. The police have a view. The courts will determine, not someone watching videos from several thousand miles away
There has also been no indication of any racial motive so everyone can drop that
He’s being charged with 5 counts of intentional homicide but you still think there’s nothing to suggest his purpose was to kill?
Ok then. But i hope we can agree the intention appears to be to kill but no idea of the why just yet.
...and I was responding to the different point that their motivation had been to "kill whites".
Yes i cannot tell the motivation but driving a car at speed through such a long section of the parade demonstrates an intention to kill. The why is a different question
You can't tell that from the video.
The car was being deliberately driven through a crowd, but you can't claim to know the motivation for doing so from a video. If mass murder was the aim then there were more dangerous routes that they could have driven through the crowds. It was driven without concern for the life of others, but that doesn't indicate it was a plan to "kill whites".
I saw the video. It was a deliberate act
No indication that he drove into a crowd to kill people, either black or white people. Just that he drove into a crowd.
Reckless and avoidable without a doubt, but not seen anything to suggest that the purpose of his driving through the crowd was to kill.
Although surprisingly he (and he's a he in case you weren't sure) left out "anti fascist", which is always so important seeing as most people are just so pro fascist.
This doesn't sound terrorist-related. This sounds like an absolute nutjob on the loose. He needs to be locked up.
It's amazing how predictable these sorts are ..
Imagine needing to have "fully vaccinated" in your bio ... jesuss!!
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